Most Streetable Turbo Kit For FS?

[HiBoost TS]

Beau,

This is what I mean. Everthing here you are assuming. I decided to dyno my car to compare to Jared's since we had the same map but different turbo. I did not have race gas WHO SAID THIS? I had still the cat converter which I use for everyday driving and just replace with a test pipe for the track. What Video? Ask FastMP5 if we didn't change the midpipe at the track.

Please do not make any other assumptions on our results or information.
Don't you think that everybody with our kits would have all over the board stating that we sold them kits based in wrong information.

I am very busy and I will do it sometime when I can come to your place and dyno to test our car.


There are many new things going on for us.

Juan

al Addiction]The warehouse you speak of, wasn't it at Dragg? I know you make parts and Turbonetics uses them.Your manifold is one of them.




Why would you put stock stuff on a race car?? That makes no sense AT ALL. By the sounds of the video the car sounds like the exhaust isn't stock. Conservative tune on race gas, I'm not new guy at this. If it's at lower boost, it will only go up the graph to that point on the table.. It will not go all the way up to where it is at a higher boost levels. The map is done on load. You need to fire your tuner. I thought you are running your stock pistons that are coated? I can find the thread if you like.



Come on now. I've been doing this along time to know that he isn't making less power by running a standalone. I'll say it again, If it's at lower boost, it will only go up the graph to that point on the table.. It will not go all the way up to where it is at a higher boost level. The map is done on load. You need to fire your tuner. You promote your E6X and tell everyone it has this great tune from you. Now it's worse than a stock computer.

Here's a solution, let's dyno at the same place, same time, same boost levels and see what the outcome is. I have made this offer for sometime. If you can't do, send over one of your customers. I'll pay for there hotel,food and gas.[/QUOTE]

 

[Mental Addiction]

Beau,

This is what I mean. Everthing here you are assuming. I decided to dyno my car to compare to Jared's since we had the same map but different turbo. I did not have race gas WHO SAID THIS? I had still the cat converter which I use for everyday driving and just replace with a test pipe for the track. What Video? Ask FastMP5 if we didn't change the midpipe at the track.

Please do not make any other assumptions on our results or information.
Don't you think that everybody with our kits would have all over the board stating that we sold them kits based in wrong information.

I am very busy and I will do it sometime when I can come to your place and dyno to test our car.


There are many new things going on for us.

Juan

Juan,

You posted saying you had a mix of race and 91 octane.. Would you like me to find that post too??? I make no assumptions, the dyno's I have seen in person and the ones actually posted tell the story..

 

[shane02pro5]

It's pretty upsetting to see this sort of thing going on. If you feel you have a better kit it should not be necessary to try and pin someone in a corner with quotes and mis-quotes. I'm just saying that if I was buying anything from anyone I would consider it un-professional to have to put down the competion in order to try to market my own product.

Fact is I love my Hiboost kit and fully stand behind it and Juan as well as many others do too. I would also have done the same for MAM if that was the vendor I puchased from. None of this is necessary and in my books will only harm MAM by doing business this way.

 

[wicked]

this is a very good way to settle it,but MAM,I wouldn't go as far as paying for hotel and that crap.

to do this,you both would need to but your kits on stock cars,no other mods,at the same boost levals.

MAM,you also need to consider that your kit is logicaly going to make more power,but it's the power that is paid for when the kit is bought.

your kit is around $1000 more then the HIGHBOOST kit, so it has more room for things to be included,IE,tubular exhaust manifold.

it kinda leaves a unfair advantage to you.



juan-Highboost-
you know if he puts up an offer like this for you two to compare,especialy when you guys are pretty close in location,it will look very bad on you.

it will put a lot of things in question about your products.
and I would not like to see that,you have been good to alot of members,and this community.

Here's a solution, let's dyno at the same place, same time, same boost levels and see what the outcome is. I have made this offer for sometime. If you can't do, send over one of your customers. I'll pay for there hotel,food and gas.

 

[Mental Addiction]

My post's are not meant to be taken as an ATTACK. Like my first posts say's, it is what it is. The HiBoost kit is a decent piece for the parts included. Now when he put's out numbers with no dyno sheets, dyno sheets where 2nd gear is used(older stlye dyno where that effects the numbers),etc and say it will make the same if not more than my kit, I preck up.

 

[Mental Addiction]

Wicked, I will have a Hiboost powered car here at my dyno. I have 4 local guys on stock motors running my turbo kits.
So the dyno will be very good and put this to rest. I have been trying for sometime to get a Hiboost kit here to do a comparison. Same place,same dyno,same time..
I will be making a post for an all expense paid trip to come visit me to a hiboost car..

 

[HiBoost TS]

Juan,

You posted saying you had a mix of race and 91 octane.. Would you like me to find that post too??? I make no assumptions, the dyno's I have seen in person and the ones actually posted tell the story..

Not that day. Like I said, I did not plan to dyno my car that day. We had scheduled for Jared's car only. He expected to get more power out of the car and was not happy after putting internals (done by SPD) the Haltech E6X and the GT28RS. So I asked the guy at the dyno if we could dyno my car to compare or to see if the dyno was making lower numbers. He said to wait 2 hours. So we went to have some lunch waited a little and then dynoed the car. Since the race was that coming weekend, I had retarded the trigger angle by 5 degrees to start conservative in the race and advance it degree by degree every pass at the track. Of course I had 91 octane and the stock second catalytic coverter, which we all know takes like 15 or 20 whp away, and made two runs.

The results were that we made quicker boost and more whp than Jared's and that is a fact.

That was done the same day, same conditions, same fuel management, same injectors, same timing advance, same fuel, but different turbos and different intercoolers.

Jared's car has a Perrin intercooler with 3 inch downpipe and 3 inch exhaust all the way to the back, while we had stock cat converter and crappy 2.25 Bosal cat back.

But anyway, I will take Beau's invitation once I have time and he is available then.

That would have to be our kit compared to his street kit with stock rod lenght, no head work and similar exhaust.

Beau, I am very curious to know what car did you see in person at a dyno with our Piston/rod setup.

 

[Mr. Win]

booo head to head!!!!!!

 

[Jeph]

I didn't plan on getting involved in this thread, but i really need to voice my opinions.

First - WHY THE HELL do you make this thread in the first place? there are plenty of threads already that explain both the HIboost kit, and the MAM kit. YOU knew this was going to turn into a vendor vs. vendor thread. That in my opinion is way worse than what either vendor is throwing back and forth.

Second - In the Hiboost dyno at 13 psi thread. Comparing dyno sheets is one thing, but attacking a different kit for lower numbers, whether intentional or not, isn't going to solve anything, its just making the piss war bigger.

Third - Juan, you constantly are taking the position of the victim whenever Beau makes a statement against you. Making you look innocent and Beau look like the big bad mean guy. Yet you make post like the one mentioned in point 2, provoking him to make rebuttals. You can't expect the guy to take something like that lying down.

Fourth - Yes, my opinion may be skewed by the fact that Beau is currently working on my car. BUT this is getting completely out of hand. Even if my car were with Juan, my opinion would not change.

Lastly - This arguement will never be solved until both kits go head to head. No more, well he has this, or he has that. I am sure both of you would be mature enough to accept defeat, and not be a sore loser, and on the other hand, if you are the winner, be gracious in your win, and not degrade the other.

 

[Mr. Win]

Third - Juan, you constantly are taking the position of the victim whenever Beau makes a statement against you. Making you look innocent and Beau look like the big bad mean guy. Yet you make post like the one mentioned in point 2, provoking him to make rebuttals. You can't expect the guy to take something like that lying down.

Lastly - This arguement will never be solved until both kits go head to head. No more, well he has this, or he has that. I am sure both of you would be mature enough to accept defeat, and not be a sore loser, and on the other hand, if you are the winner, be gracious in your win, and not degrade the other.

werd

 

[noclue119]

This is sad with all the vendor pics in sigs....

Anyways Hi-boost was and still is the only one with a Protege at the company. They drive and own the car. No other company does that not even MAM. Everyone else uses someone's car as a test bed and "Sponser" them...

Hi-Boost has proven his reliablity and power that he makes. He does not make a budget kit either if u bought his setup on his car u'd make just as much hp reliabily.

I'm not here to say who is bad or good but my point is Hi-boost will always be more delicated to the protege community than anyone else mainly because he owned a protege.

 

[atticus1398]

Screw the dyno queens, hold this showdown at the track!

 

[RyanJayG]

This is sad with all the vendor pics in sigs....

Anyways Hi-boost was and still is the only one with a Protege at the company. They drive and own the car. No other company does that not even MAM. Everyone else uses someone's car as a test bed and "Sponser" them...

Hi-Boost has proven his reliablity and power that he makes. He does not make a budget kit either if u bought his setup on his car u'd make just as much hp reliabily.

I'm not here to say who is bad or good but my point is Hi-boost will always be more delicated to the protege community than anyone else mainly because he owned a protege.

you're kidding right? last I checked Beau ownes 2 P5s, was getting a Mazda3, and has a Mazdaspeed6 on order.

the only thing he NEEDS testbeds for are MSP's


might want to get the facts before saying something like this.

 

[noclue119]

you're kidding right? last I checked Beau ownes 2 P5s, was getting a Mazda3, and has a Mazdaspeed6 on order.

the only thing he NEEDS testbeds for are MSP's


might want to get the facts before saying something like this.

That he owned before he started developing? I thought he bought them after he started producing thigns for it.

If i'm wrong about it, my apologies. That still doesn't take away from the fact that hi-boost has their company protege5.

 

[RyanJayG]

That he owned before he started developing? I thought he bought them after he started producing thigns for it.

If i'm wrong about it, my apologies. That still doesn't take away from the fact that hi-boost has their company protege5.

the Black P5 that Beau owns (you can also see his red P5 in the very first dyno wars at Kieth's shop in AZ) is what Beau used to design the very first Street Sleeper kit, over 2 and a half years ago. it current;y has the engine out of it in anticipation of the built motor that was to be dropped in, but Beau keeps giving his motor away to customers who can't wait the extra time for one to be completed from scrath. (how's that for customer service)

I've personally seen both the red and black P5's he owns and many of the other vehicles he has (been to his house, met his employees, actually worked for him until 3am on two occasions while I was on my vacation out there. I can tell you from personally meeting Beau that no one I've ever met or heard about cares about his customers and his product more than he does.

 

[1FASTMP5]

i just want to step in here and say a few things!!!

i was there two of the times juan ran his p5 at california speedway.... i was also running my p5 the same day. he DID roll up with the stock midpipe... i helped him jack up car and swap to the test pipe. he also pumped all the 91oct out of his tank to run race gas....
he DID in fact run with stock motor mouts and NO LSD. i know this because i have drove the car before.
those of you who ''think'' he runs nitrous...HE DID NOT HAVE nitrous!!! i looked his car over from head to toe... no bottle, no lines, no silenoids, ect... TRUST ME.... i would of saw it.. i do alot of strett racing for money and have to have an eye for s*** like that.
as far as the psi he was running ON the track? IDK for SURE....

 

[1FASTMP5]

Screw the dyno queens, hold this showdown at the track!

WERD!! let trap speeds tell the story .... the two fastest protege's(focus & juan) on this board have booth traped 112MPH on slicks... that making some pretty DAMN good power! i know focus dynoed at 325WHP(wink) ...

 

[noclue119]

Third - Juan, you constantly are taking the position of the victim whenever Beau makes a statement against you. Making you look innocent and Beau look like the big bad mean guy. Yet you make post like the one mentioned in point 2, provoking him to make rebuttals. You can't expect the guy to take something like that lying down.

because he was

Let me summerize this thread for you:

Boston ask for turbo options
MAM post theirs
Hi-Boost post theirs
status50 flames hi-boost for the lack of timing on their part - here post 7
hi-boost says umm no.
ebmp5 says MAM is good
wicked says MAM is good but Hiboost is better with evidence - here post 27
MAM starts comparing kits. seen here post 28 argument breaks out.

Lastly - This arguement will never be solved until both kits go head to head. No more, well he has this, or he has that. I am sure both of you would be mature enough to accept defeat, and not be a sore loser, and on the other hand, if you are the winner, be gracious in your win, and not degrade the other.

Never going to happen and even if it is it does not mean anything. the dyno numbers are a funcation of local tuning. Drag strip is a indication of the driver skills.


And keep in mind I have a stock MSP so either one has a product on my car.

 

[MIA protege]

this is all gay ... both companies have nice kits. have faith in ur product and let it ride.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Never going to happen and even if it is it does not mean anything. the dyno numbers are a funcation of local tuning. Drag strip is a indication of the driver skills.

wait a minute, you're telling me that you think a series of dyno comparisons between two different turbo kits is not going to mean anything? you've got to be kidding me. and just to play devil's advocate, lets say you get both cars on the same dragstrip and let the same driver do runs in each?

i'm not about to pick a side in this argument, but to say that side by performance comparisons that produce legitamate numbers of each kit are meaningless is factually not true. How else would comparisons of any product, regardless of industry, be done to give score/rank over another product?