Most Streetable Turbo Kit For FS?

[wicked]

oh highboost, on the MAM site,it says the GT28RS is what comes on the kit.

 

[Mental Addiction]

Excuse me BEAU,

Whose car have you seen in person with our pistons and rods? What dyno and when?

I would like some respect here from all the guys at MAM or with MAM products. Everytime some asks about the turbo kits you all come and bash our product. We have been here longer than you, have a great product and have respected MAMs product also, but you all come here and answer questions without even having the right answers.
Remember that we still have the fastest protege with the same components as the basic kit with a few upgrades. We do have an upgrade kit that makes over 340 WHP, so please do not assume or answer questions without the proper information.

We do not make fancy turbo kits but reliable products. You can customize the kit yourself like Pirana did, but the kits will produce very good power to enjoy right away and for long time.

Juan

We do not disrespect you or your products. Your kit is a decent kit and it is what it is. As for the P5's I seen dynoing. It was in SoCal at The Dyno Shop near San Diego. Both guys where US Marines.<O</O

With your dyno numbers you have I pointed out the 2nd gear pulls done on the C model Dyno Jet.<O</O

Here is the Thread<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820<O</O

I have offered to dyno with you at the same place and same time. I have my own dyno, we can do it here or I will come to CA when you are in the states. I have asked you several times to have a dyno day where both of us are there, you seem to run the other way.<O</O

When you claim to make X amount of power and then say a different X amount at the same boost, it looks like marketing by a Salesman who can't get it straight.<O</O

<O</O

Your big Boost kit is here at 20psi. Please note just how built this customers car is(ported head, 60mm throttle body, etc)<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115523<O</O

but some how your normal kit makes 330whp at 20psi with less boost, stock head,stock throttle body, much smaller turbo and downpipe????? Not slamming on this guys numbers at all. Those are nice numbers and a clean build. Now you are marketing your Big Boost kit being good for 500whp. Here is your post claiming this<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82548 Post 12<O</O

By making the ports larger doesn't mean it's better.<O</O

Please read.<O</O

http://www.**************************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463#post463<O</O

When I say your kit is what it is, market it as that. Not something that it's not. I'm not saying you have a crappy kit AT ALL. You make a nice low budget production style kit and it fit's well and works.. However you market and advertise it as a lot more. Numbers are really high and you claim it will support 300whp+.. Your kit uses a IHI VF 22. The compressor map tells the whole story(it flows 24lbs a minute). Also you have a small intercooler and downpipe to support that power. Plus the manifolds ports at the turbo flange are small enough that your index finger can plug it. Do you know what revert is and how it effects your motor???<O</O

Next you market your kits saying you use a Spearco intercoolers. We both know that Spearco does NOT make intercoolers. They buy them elsewhere and label them as there's.<O</O
Here is a list of cores Spearco has:<O</O

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/ic_cores.htm<O</O

Don't see yours there. Let me guess, they make one just for you??? Spearco doesnt do that.<O</O

They don't make core. Spearco is a NAME. Marketing.<O</O

I hate to see a customer buy something and be told it will do X amount of power and then they find out different when they try and step it up. <O</O

I remember when you dyno'd your P5 the same time Jhotrod did. Didn't you make something like 220whp at 12psi??? Maybe he can post.<O</O

Here is Element's Hiboost dyno at 7psi.<O</O

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Know where close to the 214whp at 8psi you claim.<O</O

Im looking for the guy that dynod in the 250whp at 15psi.. Ill find it..<O</O

I have no problem with you and maybe my first post hit home with you.<O</O

When you started marketing yourself against me it was time for me to speak up,speak the truth and educate the members here on turbo kit design and how to combo them.<O</O

Here are some threads of where I felt you where doing this:<O</O

I'm the only one using a GT28RS<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92278<O</O

Your answer to my Thumper kit<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82548<O</O

Your answer to us making great power on less boost<O</O

[url="http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820"]http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820<O</O[/url]

Then you make post saying order from us because we have it instock and dont have to wait like others,etc. Well I'm the other.

<O</O
I'm looking for the MSP stuff too.<O</O

Here is a thread of manifold design:<O</O

http://www.**************************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463#post463<O</O

<O</OAlso, our kit comes STANDARD with the GT28RS. It is not an upgrade. The power and technology in the GT series turbos is second to none. Garrett is the leader in turbo chargers and sets the ball higher and higher.<O</O

The GT series turbos use the latest and greatest parts to date. The IHI VF22 is more than 2 decades old. IMO you use that turbo because of cost. We both know the IHI VF22 is more than $400 cheaper dealer cost than the GT28RS. We pride ourselves on making the most efficient, reliable and powerful turbo kits. If the parts cost more and it makes more power, more reliable, etc we use it. This is why our kit's are so much more. We use the best intercooler cores(most expensive as well) best turbo(most expensive as well) T-bolt clamps(more that 10X the cost of hose clamps) ceramic coating, power coating, etc.<O</O

Our kit's are not designed or marketed to the low budget guy. We do not hide this.
<O</OI honestly hate making this post. I looks like to vendors bashing each other to market there stuff. Honestly for me its not that at all. Im doing to educate the readers. <O</O

I do not look at you as competition. Our kits are at two different levels. Like I have stated before you make a nice kit, it is what it is.<O</O

 

[Mr. Win]

hot damn... its about time.


for some reason i expect no response.

 

[Mental Addiction]

Hiboost kits come set up at 8psi and F10X (fuel and timing control) and there is no way with me being at 9.5 with mine I am making anything as low as 202whp (I'd definately say that was with a slipping stock clutch). My clutch started slipping almost immediately in 2nd at 8psi. I have not been on a dyno but I can promise I am at around 230whp. These are some numbers that Juan from Hiboost posted a long time ago when they were testing different set ups for their kits. There are actual dynos in the thread from way back in 2003. Note those numbers were at 7psi except the one at 10.

Dyno Results:

Brand new car with stock engine 104 WHP 113.8 Torque
Garrett T3 turbo and FMU and Pump 176.9 and 186.1 torque
Garrett T3 Turbo and Haltech F10 182.4 and 189.2 torque
Garrett T3 Turbo, F10 and 2.25 Exhaust 199.6 and 211.5 torque
IHI turbo, F10 2.25 exhaust 214.4 and 217.2 torque
IHI turbo, F10 test pipe (No Cat Conv) 220.1 and 220.5 torque
IHI turbo, F10, test pipe at 10 PSI 231.9 and 238 torque

All tests were done at 7 PSI except the last one at 10 PSI on the same dynojet 248c at Dynamic Autosports facilities in Irvine, California.

We want to invite all protege fans to visit our website www.hiboost.com

Some from 7psi to 10psi you increased by 11whp and 18wftq on 3 psi more??

 

[jurgs01]

I think that about sums it up. Both kits have their purposes and both are valuable vendors in the Mazda community for different reasons.

 

[jurgs01]

Some from 7psi to 10psi you increased by 11whp and 18wftq on 3 psi more??

IHI

 

[Bigg Tim]

..........I have not been on a dyno but I can promise I am at around 230whp.

On pump 91 octane....no way! If you dyno on a dynojet and have date stamped video proof, I'll pay for your dyno run you made that power on. Back east with humidity and 94 octane pump gas, I made 228whp @ 8psi. With dry air and almost no humidity and 91 octane gas, I only made 206whp @ 8psi. NO changes in the MAP. Texas isn't much different heat wise, then AZ, so I don't think you will get that high. It will be great if you do, so when you get the time, hit a dyno, it may be free!

 

[shane02pro5]

We run 93 octane in Texas. I am not sure how our Turbos compare but I am talking 9.5 vs. your 8psi. Like I said I have no proof other than the races that I have won and even the ones I've lost tells me that I am significantly higher than 200+/-whp. If I wasn't a broke single dad, I would definately get it Dyno'ed just for my own satisfaction. That dyno was with your current set-up. Seems like a whole lot of mods for that output you are getting.

 

[1FASTMP5]

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[1FASTMP5]

We do not disrespect you or your products. Your kit is a decent kit and it is what it is. As for the P5's I seen dynoing. It was in SoCal at The Dyno Shop near San Diego. Both guys where US Marines.<O</O

With your dyno numbers you have I pointed out the 2nd gear pulls done on the C model Dyno Jet.<O</O

Here is the Thread<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820<O</O

I have offered to dyno with you at the same place and same time. I have my own dyno, we can do it here or I will come to CA when you are in the states. I have asked you several times to have a dyno day where both of us are there, you seem to run the other way.<O</O

When you claim to make X amount of power and then say a different X amount at the same boost, it looks like marketing by a Salesman who can't get it straight.<O</O

<O</O

Your big Boost kit is here at 20psi. Please note just how built this customers car is(ported head, 60mm throttle body, etc)<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115523<O</O

but some how your normal kit makes 330whp at 20psi with less boost, stock head,stock throttle body, much smaller turbo and downpipe????? Not slamming on this guys numbers at all. Those are nice numbers and a clean build. Now you are marketing your Big Boost kit being good for 500whp. Here is your post claiming this<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82548 Post 12<O</O

By making the ports larger doesn't mean it's better.<O</O

Please read.<O</O

http://www.**************************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463#post463<O</O

When I say your kit is what it is, market it as that. Not something that it's not. I'm not saying you have a crappy kit AT ALL. You make a nice low budget production style kit and it fit's well and works.. However you market and advertise it as a lot more. Numbers are really high and you claim it will support 300whp+.. Your kit uses a IHI VF 22. The compressor map tells the whole story(it flows 24lbs a minute). Also you have a small intercooler and downpipe to support that power. Plus the manifolds ports at the turbo flange are small enough that your index finger can plug it. Do you know what revert is and how it effects your motor???<O</O

Next you market your kits saying you use a Spearco intercoolers. We both know that Spearco does NOT make intercoolers. They buy them elsewhere and label them as there's.<O</O
Here is a list of cores Spearco has:<O</O

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/ic_cores.htm<O</O

Don't see yours there. Let me guess, they make one just for you??? Spearco doesnt do that.<O</O

They don't make core. Spearco is a NAME. Marketing.<O</O

I hate to see a customer buy something and be told it will do X amount of power and then they find out different when they try and step it up. <O</O

I remember when you dyno'd your P5 the same time Jhotrod did. Didn't you make something like 220whp at 12psi??? Maybe he can post.<O</O

Here is Element's Hiboost dyno at 7psi.<O</O

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Know where close to the 214whp at 8psi you claim.<O</O

Im looking for the guy that dynod in the 250whp at 15psi.. Ill find it..<O</O

I have no problem with you and maybe my first post hit home with you.<O</O

When you started marketing yourself against me it was time for me to speak up,speak the truth and educate the members here on turbo kit design and how to combo them.<O</O

Here are some threads of where I felt you where doing this:<O</O

I'm the only one using a GT28RS<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92278<O</O

Your answer to my Thumper kit<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82548<O</O

Your answer to us making great power on less boost<O</O

[url="http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820"]http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820<O</O[/url]

Then you make post saying order from us because we have it instock and dont have to wait like others,etc. Well I'm the other.

<O</O
I'm looking for the MSP stuff too.<O</O

Here is a thread of manifold design:<O</O

http://www.**************************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463#post463<O</O

<O</OAlso, our kit comes STANDARD with the GT28RS. It is not an upgrade. The power and technology in the GT series turbos is second to none. Garrett is the leader in turbo chargers and sets the ball higher and higher.<O</O

The GT series turbos use the latest and greatest parts to date. The IHI VF22 is more than 2 decades old. IMO you use that turbo because of cost. We both know the IHI VF22 is more than $400 cheaper dealer cost than the GT28RS. We pride ourselves on making the most efficient, reliable and powerful turbo kits. If the parts cost more and it makes more power, more reliable, etc we use it. This is why our kit's are so much more. We use the best intercooler cores(most expensive as well) best turbo(most expensive as well) T-bolt clamps(more that 10X the cost of hose clamps) ceramic coating, power coating, etc.<O</O

Our kit's are not designed or marketed to the low budget guy. We do not hide this.
<O</OI honestly hate making this post. I looks like to vendors bashing each other to market there stuff. Honestly for me its not that at all. Im doing to educate the readers. <O</O

I do not look at you as competition. Our kits are at two different levels. Like I have stated before you make a nice kit, it is what it is.<O</O

GREAT info BEAU!!! I am in NO way tring to say ANYthing bad about either company!!! i have meet BOTH juan & beau...IN PERSON and BOTH are GREAT tuners!!!

one thing though.... on that dyno for ahmods protege5, he has an ATX!
not a 5 spd.... so that explains the low numbers.
also jaun claims 220whp @ 8 psi.... not 7psi like the dyno above.

so those numbers above are for a ATX protege @ 7psi making 176whp & 200wtq... not bad if you ask me.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Nope, Ahmad has a 5-speed manual transaxle. His clutch was slipping on that dyno run. He since upgraded to a Spec Clutch, and murdered folks. We also know that different weather and conditions will yield different results on the dyno. His car is no doubt fast at 15 PSI though.

 

[Mental Addiction]

For a clutch that was supposably slipping, I see no dip mark's to indicate it has happening on that run.

 

[HiBoost TS]

Beau,

I respect you and like I have stated, you make good products, however I do not think it is right to show your best dynos against our lowest ones. Pirana did like 240 whp on a ATX, the guy in Miami did 223 at 9 psi with a slipping clutch. Why are your dynos to be believed and not mine?

The most expensive parts do not mean that it is the best. Yes I know Spearco is a brand, however the important thing in an intercooler is the core, and we get it from them thru one the large customers at Turbonetics as exclusive. So I do not have to lie that we use Spearco cores. If that is not listed, it does not mean that they do not make it.

IHI is very reputable and makes very good turbos. The VF22 may have been in the market for long time and does not mean that is a bad unit. They are ahead in technology and may have done a turbo then that is still on the fight. Look at honda with their B series engines. Nobody is making a motor that makes as much power as theirs even 20 years later with the same displacement.

So, I respect your product and I think that is very good, however ours is the best for the price and components included and for the market that it is made for.

Finally, who did you see in person on a dyno with our rods and piston combo?


Juan

 

[HiBoost TS]

We do not disrespect you or your products. Your kit is a decent kit and it is what it is. As for the P5's I seen dynoing. It was in SoCal at The Dyno Shop near San Diego. Both guys where US Marines.<O</O

With your dyno numbers you have I pointed out the 2nd gear pulls done on the C model Dyno Jet.<O</O

Here is the Thread<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820<O</O

I have offered to dyno with you at the same place and same time. I have my own dyno, we can do it here or I will come to CA when you are in the states. I have asked you several times to have a dyno day where both of us are there, you seem to run the other way.<O</O

When you claim to make X amount of power and then say a different X amount at the same boost, it looks like marketing by a Salesman who can't get it straight.<O</O

<O</O

Your big Boost kit is here at 20psi. Please note just how built this customers car is(ported head, 60mm throttle body, etc)<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115523<O</O

but some how your normal kit makes 330whp at 20psi with less boost, stock head,stock throttle body, much smaller turbo and downpipe????? Not slamming on this guys numbers at all. Those are nice numbers and a clean build. Now you are marketing your Big Boost kit being good for 500whp. Here is your post claiming this<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82548 Post 12<O</O

By making the ports larger doesn't mean it's better.<O</O

Please read.<O</O

http://www.**************************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463#post463<O</O

When I say your kit is what it is, market it as that. Not something that it's not. I'm not saying you have a crappy kit AT ALL. You make a nice low budget production style kit and it fit's well and works.. However you market and advertise it as a lot more. Numbers are really high and you claim it will support 300whp+.. Your kit uses a IHI VF 22. The compressor map tells the whole story(it flows 24lbs a minute). Also you have a small intercooler and downpipe to support that power. Plus the manifolds ports at the turbo flange are small enough that your index finger can plug it. Do you know what revert is and how it effects your motor???<O</O

Next you market your kits saying you use a Spearco intercoolers. We both know that Spearco does NOT make intercoolers. They buy them elsewhere and label them as there's.<O</O
Here is a list of cores Spearco has:<O</O

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/ic_cores.htm<O</O

Don't see yours there. Let me guess, they make one just for you??? Spearco doesnt do that.<O</O

They don't make core. Spearco is a NAME. Marketing.<O</O

I hate to see a customer buy something and be told it will do X amount of power and then they find out different when they try and step it up. <O</O

I remember when you dyno'd your P5 the same time Jhotrod did. Didn't you make something like 220whp at 12psi??? Maybe he can post.<O</O

Here is Element's Hiboost dyno at 7psi.<O</O

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Know where close to the 214whp at 8psi you claim.<O</O

Im looking for the guy that dynod in the 250whp at 15psi.. Ill find it..<O</O

I have no problem with you and maybe my first post hit home with you.<O</O

When you started marketing yourself against me it was time for me to speak up,speak the truth and educate the members here on turbo kit design and how to combo them.<O</O

Here are some threads of where I felt you where doing this:<O</O

I'm the only one using a GT28RS<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92278<O</O

Your answer to my Thumper kit<O</O

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82548<O</O

Your answer to us making great power on less boost<O</O

[url="http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820"]http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108820<O</O[/url]

Then you make post saying order from us because we have it instock and dont have to wait like others,etc. Well I'm the other.

<O</O
I'm looking for the MSP stuff too.<O</O

Here is a thread of manifold design:<O</O

http://www.**************************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463#post463<O</O

<O</OAlso, our kit comes STANDARD with the GT28RS. It is not an upgrade. The power and technology in the GT series turbos is second to none. Garrett is the leader in turbo chargers and sets the ball higher and higher.<O</O

The GT series turbos use the latest and greatest parts to date. The IHI VF22 is more than 2 decades old. IMO you use that turbo because of cost. We both know the IHI VF22 is more than $400 cheaper dealer cost than the GT28RS. We pride ourselves on making the most efficient, reliable and powerful turbo kits. If the parts cost more and it makes more power, more reliable, etc we use it. This is why our kit's are so much more. We use the best intercooler cores(most expensive as well) best turbo(most expensive as well) T-bolt clamps(more that 10X the cost of hose clamps) ceramic coating, power coating, etc.<O</O

Our kit's are not designed or marketed to the low budget guy. We do not hide this.
<O</OI honestly hate making this post. I looks like to vendors bashing each other to market there stuff. Honestly for me its not that at all. Im doing to educate the readers. <O</O

I do not look at you as competition. Our kits are at two different levels. Like I have stated before you make a nice kit, it is what it is.<O</O

Here are some more answes:

We have a very close relationship with Turbonetics since I make parts for them. I can get proof of this. You can ask Linux how many cores he saw at the warehouse when we were designing the FMIC kit for the MSP. To be clear and I have said this many times, we use a Spearco core with our own cast aluminum intercooler end tanks.

When I dynoed my car the same day we did Jared's, I had the stock midpipe with the stock cat converter and it was set with a very conservative and retarded timing as were set to run at the track at higher boost levels. Besides the claims in HP are with stock pistons which have higher Compression ratio than the ones we have in the car. We both know how this affects the power of an engine.

Also Ahmad's car runs an E6X which is set to run higher boost levels and not 7 psi, so that also makes less power than the more aggresive timing on a stock computer, which is the case when the kit runs the F10X.

Everyone chooses their suppliers and what parts to use according to the needs and we do not see the need for expensive clamps or expensive intercoolers when we know that Spearco cores are very good and used by top racers at a good price.


This are answers to your replies also and not to bash your product but just informative.


Juan

 

[Mental Addiction]

Beau,

I respect you and like I have stated, you make good products, however I do not think it is right to show your best dynos against our lowest ones. Pirana did like 240 whp on a ATX, the guy in Miami did 223 at 9 psi with a slipping clutch. Why are your dynos to be believed and not mine?

The most expensive parts do not mean that it is the best. Yes I know Spearco is a brand, however the important thing in an intercooler is the core, and we get it from them thru one the large customers at Turbonetics as exclusive. So I do not have to lie that we use Spearco cores. If that is not listed, it does not mean that they do not make it.

IHI is very reputable and makes very good turbos. The VF22 may have been in the market for long time and does not mean that is a bad unit. They are ahead in technology and may have done a turbo then that is still on the fight. Look at honda with their B series engines. Nobody is making a motor that makes as much power as theirs even 20 years later with the same displacement.

So, I respect your product and I think that is very good, however ours is the best for the price and components included and for the market that it is made for.

Finally, who did you see in person on a dyno with our rods and piston combo?


Juan

Juan,

Our numbers are NOT the best. The numbers I posted is the middle number of 3 pulls. The best for that PSI are usually 5-8whp more. As for Element's numbers being the worse, they look about right inline with what I have seen in person. At 240whp wasn't Pirana on 14-15psi? Definately not the 230whp at 8psi you claim. For you Honda comment, please show me this because the recored for the Honda's HP goes up almost every year. Also, the B-series first came out between 1988-1990 in the CRX(15-17 years).
I do not know the guys name running your parts, I seen him at a dyno and he was telling everyone what he had. He's not a customer of mine so I do not know exactly what he had or his name.

 

[1FASTMP5]

Nope, Ahmad has a 5-speed manual transaxle. His clutch was slipping on that dyno run. He since upgraded to a Spec Clutch, and murdered folks. We also know that different weather and conditions will yield different results on the dyno. His car is no doubt fast at 15 PSI though.

well, i retract my statement then... hahah... i could of swore he had ATX. someone just slap me(stfu)

 

[LinuxRacr]

When Pirana had his car, he had an ATX. It was the color of the P5 that threw you.

 

[LinuxRacr]

For a clutch that was supposably slipping, I see no dip mark's to indicate it has happening on that run.

(shrug) I was on my way back from the AZ dyno day (driving thru El Paso) when all that was going on, so I was only told by Ahmad.

 

[Mental Addiction]

Here are some more answes:

We have a very close relationship with Turbonetics since I make parts for them. I can get proof of this. You can ask Linux how many cores he saw at the warehouse when we were designing the FMIC kit for the MSP. To be clear and I have said this many times, we use a Spearco core with our own cast aluminum intercooler end tanks.

The warehouse you speak of, wasn't it at Dragg? I know you make parts and Turbonetics uses them.Your manifold is one of them.

When I dynoed my car the same day we did Jared's, I had the stock midpipe with the stock cat converter and it was set with a very conservative and retarded timing as were set to run at the track at higher boost levels. Besides the claims in HP are with stock pistons which have higher Compression ratio than the ones we have in the car. We both know how this affects the power of an engine.

Why would you put stock stuff on a race car?? That makes no sense AT ALL. By the sounds of the video the car sounds like the exhaust isn't stock. Conservative tune on race gas, I'm not new guy at this. If it's at lower boost, it will only go up the graph to that point on the table.. It will not go all the way up to where it is at a higher boost levels. The map is done on load. You need to fire your tuner. I thought you are running your stock pistons that are coated? I can find the thread if you like.

Also Ahmad's car runs an E6X which is set to run higher boost levels and not 7 psi, so that also makes less power than the more aggresive timing on a stock computer, which is the case when the kit runs the F10X.

Come on now. I've been doing this along time to know that he isn't making less power by running a standalone. I'll say it again, If it's at lower boost, it will only go up the graph to that point on the table.. It will not go all the way up to where it is at a higher boost level. The map is done on load. You need to fire your tuner. You promote your E6X and tell everyone it has this great tune from you. Now it's worse than a stock computer.

Here's a solution, let's dyno at the same place, same time, same boost levels and see what the outcome is. I have made this offer for sometime. If you can't do, send over one of your customers. I'll pay for there hotel,food and gas.

 

[xenon929]

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