Most Streetable Turbo Kit For FS?

[Mental Addiction]

I tuned a MAM version 1 (non tubular manifold design) street sleeper kit at 5psi and it made 170 whp. That's a great number for 5psi. I believe he made 190 at 7psi. I have yet to see any numbers compare on a Hiboost kit. I'm not knocking it at all, just stating what I have seen in person.

You are speaking of Eli(azeli73). He is running 6psi and made 189whp. This is one our Log manifold Sleeper kit. He will be upgrading to our Tubular manifold and 3" downpipe in the near future.
This is Eli's car. It made 189whp at 6psi in over 100 degree weather and pump gas.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

hey beau, i need a heat shield like that can you send me one with my other goodies, pretty please with cherries on top?

 

[Mental Addiction]

hey beau, i need a heat shield like that can you send me one with my other goodies, pretty please with cherries on top?

We don't make them anymore. The diagram to build it was destroyed.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

We don't make them anymore. The diagram to build it was destroyed.

(hand)

 

[RyanJayG]

it would be pretty simple to duplicate with a sheetmetal brake... see if there is anyone local with a 1st gen SS kit, and just copy it, unless your turbo sits a little higher or lower.

 

[ebmp5]

mam Speaks For It Self!

 

[wicked]

mam Speaks For It Self!

so does highboost
in reality,these kits are so close in comparison,you have to look into the little things.like price,and witch one you think looks better.both have peoven to be equally reliable,and in the same power range.

highboost
price-$3,795
uses IHI turbo(dodn't have it's specs)
looks very "pre-built"

MAM
non-intercooled stripper
price-$3,395
uses a Garrett GT28RS(well made,but has it's"sweet spot" more at around 12-15 psi rather than lower boost)
looks kind of "econamy"due to not having an intercooler
intercooled slepper kit
price-$4,195
same turbo,but is intercooled to allow you to expand your project,not a limiting kit at all.just add forged internals,and WOW
looks very well made,but,has much more "custom" of a look to it.




honestly for me,what would make the decision for me is if I was going to be happy with low boost,or would I want more eventually.
the MAM kit is more setup for expantion then the highboost,due to it's more efficiant intercooling,tubular exhaust manifold,and use of a GT28 turbo

but to stay at a dialy driver,reliable low boost,the highboost has it hands down.but it is a kit designed to be installed,and driven,never upgraded.



you compare the kits,and realize the price does reflect what you get in parts,but not necssaraly what is needed.

 

[Mental Addiction]

so does highboost
in reality,these kits are so close in comparison,you have to look into the little things.like price,and witch one you think looks better.both have peoven to be equally reliable,and in the same power range.

highboost
price-$3,795
uses IHI turbo(dodn't have it's specs)
looks very "pre-built"

MAM
non-intercooled stripper
price-$3,395
uses a Garrett GT28RS(well made,but has it's"sweet spot" more at around 12-15 psi rather than lower boost)
looks kind of "econamy"due to not having an intercooler
intercooled slepper kit
price-$4,195
same turbo,but is intercooled to allow you to expand your project,not a limiting kit at all.just add forged internals,and WOW
looks very well made,but,has much more "custom" of a look to it.




honestly for me,what would make the decision for me is if I was going to be happy with low boost,or would I want more eventually.
the MAM kit is more setup for expantion then the highboost,due to it's more efficiant intercooling,tubular exhaust manifold,and use of a GT28 turbo

but to stay at a dialy driver,reliable low boost,the highboost has it hands down.but it is a kit designed to be installed,and driven,never upgraded.



you compare the kits,and realize the price does reflect what you get in parts,but not necssaraly what is needed.

Good post. One thing I would disagree with you on is power. The kit's don't compare in power range. I have seen 2 Hiboost kit's in person dynoing and the power isn't the same. The one made 202whp at 10psi(E6X) while the other made around 250whp at 15psi. The one had rods and pistons from Hiboost while the other was a stock motor.
Also the GT28RS is very powerful down low. Yes, it comes alive hard at 12+psi, but what doesn't..We have several kit's running 6-8psi. Our kit's make roughly 190-197whp at just 6psi.
I'll be posting dyno results of a car we are working on now. Sleeper with GT28RS on 10psi.This car has a forged block running 8.5CR.
Other than that your post is very well thought out.

 

[wicked]

you also need to remember,highboosts cars.the one with internals had 8.5 to 1 comp,and the stock is 9.1 to 1,it really changes where boost will be noticable.

not to mention this thread is asking for a bolt in lowboost kit,showing that money is def an issue.with that said,you need to realize that while your kit may be capable for bigger numbers,and more complete,it's not the most ideal to bolt in and leave alone.it would almost be a waste of a money.

 

[Bigg Tim]

you also need to remember,highboosts cars.the one with internals had 8.5 to 1 comp,and the stock is 9.1 to 1,it really changes where boost will be noticable.

not to mention this thread is asking for a bolt in lowboost kit,showing that money is def an issue.with that said,you need to realize that while your kit may be capable for bigger numbers,and more complete,it's not the most ideal to bolt in and leave alone.it would almost be a waste of a money.

I have yet to see any Hiboost dyno numbers at 5psi. The 28RS is a monster and spools so quick at 5psi. You also have to take into account quality of parts. I have heard that the Hiboost intercooler isn't a very good one and that they don't use T-bolt clamps on the piping, and the manifold is very tiny inside the runners. Now this is just what I have heard and it could be wrong. I have never seen one in person to give a 100% accurate opinion.

The price is a bit cheaper, but you get what you pay for. Also the F10 doesn't control timing, so there is a safety aspect as well. Timing control is very important when it comes to performance and longevity, IMO. I'm sur eit's a great kit, it has made nice numbers, I just have not seen any numbers on 5psi or so and there are numbers on the MAM kit out there. After all, it's about a lowboost application.

 

[shane02pro5]

Hiboost kits come set up at 8psi and F10X (fuel and timing control) and there is no way with me being at 9.5 with mine I am making anything as low as 202whp (I'd definately say that was with a slipping stock clutch). My clutch started slipping almost immediately in 2nd at 8psi. I have not been on a dyno but I can promise I am at around 230whp. These are some numbers that Juan from Hiboost posted a long time ago when they were testing different set ups for their kits. There are actual dynos in the thread from way back in 2003. Note those numbers were at 7psi except the one at 10.

Dyno Results:

Brand new car with stock engine 104 WHP 113.8 Torque
Garrett T3 turbo and FMU and Pump 176.9 and 186.1 torque
Garrett T3 Turbo and Haltech F10 182.4 and 189.2 torque
Garrett T3 Turbo, F10 and 2.25 Exhaust 199.6 and 211.5 torque
IHI turbo, F10 2.25 exhaust 214.4 and 217.2 torque
IHI turbo, F10 test pipe (No Cat Conv) 220.1 and 220.5 torque
IHI turbo, F10, test pipe at 10 PSI 231.9 and 238 torque

All tests were done at 7 PSI except the last one at 10 PSI on the same dynojet 248c at Dynamic Autosports facilities in Irvine, California.

We want to invite all protege fans to visit our website www.hiboost.com

 

[HiBoost TS]

Excuse me BEAU,

Whose car have you seen in person with our pistons and rods? What dyno and when?

I would like some respect here from all the guys at MAM or with MAM products. Everytime some asks about the turbo kits you all come and bash our product. We have been here longer than you, have a great product and have respected MAMs product also, but you all come here and answer questions without even having the right answers.
Remember that we still have the fastest protege with the same components as the basic kit with a few upgrades. We do have an upgrade kit that makes over 340 WHP, so please do not assume or answer questions without the proper information.

We do not make fancy turbo kits but reliable products. You can customize the kit yourself like Pirana did, but the kits will produce very good power to enjoy right away and for long time.

Juan

 

[wicked]

hey juan,is there any chance of you telling me what turbo is on your kit?

all info stated by me has been posted with good reason.I have defended your kits,and your products for a while,but MAM's kit is easier to upgrade then your,and it is a fact!

If I wanted a bolt in dialy driver,and had no future upgrade plans,then I would buy the highboost,hands down.
..................but if I was to upgrade it,I would be getting the MAM kit,for multible reasons.

1-intercooler is a better design for higher boost
2-the use of a tubular manifold,and well designed collector(it's not a Burns,but still nice)
3-engine manegment includes ignition timming control
4-the garrett GT28RS is a very efficient turbo in the 12-17 PSI range.


Juan,I don't know what upgrades you offer for you kit,but I know just upgradeing the engine managment is a expensive task,especially when one was already purchest with the kit.

as far as your turbo goes,I can't comment on it because I have no idea what the comp. MAP looks like for it,since I don't even know what turbo it is.

 

[briand805]

drop the vendor bashing and snide remarks. they are absolutely not required.

I completely agree with Ken here. The immaturity and schoolyard antics being displayed on this board have been making what could otherwise be informative threads nearly intolerable.

 

[Boston5761]

What is all done to the protege of hiboost, that runs 12.5? built motor, with a sweet management system im guessing... thats awesome numbers.

 

[wicked]

one more thing,once a turbo kit is purchest,there should be no reason to upgrade it,you should just need to upgrade the engine(especialy this week one).

at this point,I am a nuetral party between HIGHBOOST,and MAM,I build turbo kits,including my own,so I am not favoring one side for any reason other then what thier product is best suited for,A dicision made by me with information gathered by me posted be the manufacturer.

this is MY opinion,take it or leave it.

 

[HiBoost TS]

What is all done to the protege of hiboost, that runs 12.5? built motor, with a sweet management system im guessing... thats awesome numbers.

The car ran several 12 second passes at 104 degree weather, so it is very consistent. That day we were racing the car at 22 psi of boost and the best was when I ran at 20 psi (less tire spinning).

It has the basic kit with Haltech E6X upgrade, larger 440 cc injectors, ACT street clutch HD pressure plate and Forged Pauter connecting rods. That is all.

This makes 300+ WHP but still you can drive in the street at 8 psi with very responsive turbo without sacrifying good race power for poor street driving. It is a well balanced kit.

We then have the BIG Boost kit that can be ordered with any GT Garrett Series turbo you want. GT28R, GT28RS, GT3071R, GT35R etc. This kit comes with a bigger intercooler, larger diameter intercooler piping, external Tial 38mm wastegate, forged connecting rods, forged pistons or lower compression Mazda pistons, E6X Haltech computer, larger 440 cc or 550 cc injectors and any other component that you want.

 

[HiBoost TS]

one more thing,once a turbo kit is purchest,there should be no reason to upgrade it,you should just need to upgrade the engine(especialy this week one).

at this point,I am a nuetral party between HIGHBOOST,and MAM,I build turbo kits,including my own,so I am not favoring one side for any reason other then what thier product is best suited for,A dicision made by me with information gathered by me posted be the manufacturer.

this is MY opinion,take it or leave it.

Our kit was designed for the regular guy who wants about double the power of his car. The turbo has very good response, almost no lag but still makes good top end. That is why it is capable of good WHP numbers. Of course there are upgrades to our kit. In fact some members have upgrades in their kits. We have an upgrade to the Haltech E6X ECU to take full control of the engine (both fuel and timing), larger injectors, bigger intercooler (the one we use in the Mazda3 turbo kit) forged internals etc. For the ECU, we even take the F10X back and send you the E6X for some $$$ additional, and there is the Big Boost kit to run very high numbers, but that requires a very well built motor, race clutch, maybe an LSD etc.

That is why our most popular kit is the basic kit that can produce real good numbers while still being the king on the street. It comes with everything included for the price. Just because it is very well priced, does not mean that it is not as good. It is in deed very, very good.

 

[HiBoost TS]

hey juan,is there any chance of you telling me what turbo is on your kit?

all info stated by me has been posted with good reason.I have defended your kits,and your products for a while,but MAM's kit is easier to upgrade then your,and it is a fact!

If I wanted a bolt in dialy driver,and had no future upgrade plans,then I would buy the highboost,hands down.
..................but if I was to upgrade it,I would be getting the MAM kit,for multible reasons.

1-intercooler is a better design for higher boost
2-the use of a tubular manifold,and well designed collector(it's not a Burns,but still nice)
3-engine manegment includes ignition timming control
4-the garrett GT28RS is a very efficient turbo in the 12-17 PSI range.


Juan,I don't know what upgrades you offer for you kit,but I know just upgradeing the engine managment is a expensive task,especially when one was already purchest with the kit.

as far as your turbo goes,I can't comment on it because I have no idea what the comp. MAP looks like for it,since I don't even know what turbo it is.

MAM does not include a management system in their kits. That has to be purchased separate.

The turbo is not the GT28RS unless you upgrade.

The intercooler in our kit can be upgraded

The Cast manifold in the BIG Boost kit has large runners and a Wastegate port

 

[wicked]

is there any way you can give up a pic of the inside of your manifold?

BTW we wern't refering to your bigboost kit,just the basic kit,compared to MAM's basics intercooled kit.

HIGHBOOST-it's good to see you offer the owners the option of trading back the F10X+$ for the for the E6Xrealy it's a good way to get people to opt for your kit.

BTW every time you comment about your 12 sec P5 you allways leave out the pistons,I had no idea you what you were doing to the mazda pistons till I called you.I thought they were stock.

MAM-take a que from Highboost here,you see how he comes back and tells people why his kit should be prefered.
no name calling,or slamming of any kind,just facts.
is it true that you are offering your sleeper kit without EM?