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ok, uhm... when is the next meet?

I'm pretty sure I'll be at the NC meet. That is on the 30th, there is another NJ meet tentatively scheduled at Ocean County park, which I would like to attend but that wil depend upon when I get back from NC. I'm planning on driving down on friday with Babygirl and her man. Anyone else want to follow? She is in Delaware, I'm in NJ.
 
Micah-

Is the N/A aspect being looked into through the use of the piggy back? I'm still curious as to what all can be done with N/A now that a decent piggy back has been developed?

I am very sorry to hear about Perfworks' situation. I hope everything works out for the best.
 
Yes, but we will require a car for tuning. Originally - I was going to be the test car for N/A. 'Alas I have been turned to the dark side of the force'. Boost is good, but there is a certain pride to be found with an N/A setup. I'll talk to Nick M. about it on Thursday. Once I know his plans, I'll let everyone know.
 
Micah,

I'm also interested in the N/A aspects, I'm posting here to try to stay in the loop. If there's any news on that I'd love to hear it.

Sorry to hear of Nick's troubles.

Thanks,
James T
 
Micah said:
ok, uhm... when is the next meet?

I'm pretty sure I'll be at the NC meet. That is on the 30th, there is another NJ meet tentatively scheduled at Ocean County park, which I would like to attend but that wil depend upon when I get back from NC. I'm planning on driving down on friday with Babygirl and her man. Anyone else want to follow? She is in Delaware, I'm in NJ.

there is a chance i might come down to NC, but i probally gotta work that day. I was referring to the ocean county meet. I will be meeting up with Nick fairly soon.
 
Micah There are a lot of us interested in the piggy for n\a , just keep us posted . Thanks alot Frank Give Nick our best wishes.
 
SpicyMchaggis said:
that injector set up is ingenious. i think i might be running the same set up soon

LOL, ingenious? People have been putting injectors before the throttle body for quite some time.
 
Kooldino said:
LOL, ingenious? People have been putting injectors before the throttle body for quite some time.

In a field full of children playing with bubbles floating on the air, you'd be the only kid running around with a sharp stick popping them.
 
About the extra injectors, yeah, it's a pretty simple idea. Certainly not the first time it's been done, and I would assume it won't be the last either. If other kit manufacturers do it, kewl - if not - maybe they will figure out something better. I'm not proud, I'll learn whatever I can, and use it whereever I can. If I think of something, and I think it will work, I'm going to talk about it here. I'm not secretive, holding secrets doesn't help anybody out. I've been saying it since day one, the main reason to be on this forum is information and discussion. Yeah, some mistakes and bad info are going to happen, but trial and error will weed those things out.

Now then, back to the injectors. We are using the extra injectors because we feel it's the smarter thing to do. By keeping the stock injectors, you can let the stock ECU do it's job. Stay out of boost, and the car runs completely normal. Some people want to increase the size of the stock injectors, but the stock ECU wasn't designed to control them. I don't see that being the right solution.

My goal with my car, and also with the kit is to have a car that retains 100% of the drivability. No stalling, harsh idle, running pig rich, etc. The extra injectors come on when they are needed. I'm driving the car and loving it. Starts up, runs fine, doesn't get hot, doesn't stutter, when I hit the gas, it goes. When I take my foot off the gas, it slows down. It's the way I feel the car should be.

I'm hopping in the shower now, still recovering from last nights 7am to 1am shift at my job. I'll be heading to the shop and talking to Nick M. today. ( Then I'm heading down to my friends computer store to pick up parts to build my brothers PC for him. )
 
Hello Micah,

I live in Perth Amboy and I just wanted to know if I can see the system in action. I am getting my custom 3 inch turbo back exhaust install tomorrow, and I and making plans for my next mod.

I think I just found it.
Please hit me up and we can start shitting on all the damn Hondas around here.
 
alright, PM me your phone number, and I will take you out for a ride. Anyone who wants to see my car - let me know.
 
I am at the shop right now, Nick M. and I are discussing the kits right now. KzA's car is on the lift having the turbo kit installed. I love these cars.

I also want to point out some things about the extra fuel injectors. A few months ago Dana (Kooldino) was here at the shop, talking with Nick M. and he expressed concern about mounting the extra injectors before the throttle body. He felt that the intake manifold was not designed for this. He is right, that is why it's called "Modification". When the extra injectors fire, the system is running under boost. The velocity of the air is increased, and the fuel is atomized by the injectors into the air. Also, our piggyback incrementally controls the extra injectors so that they come on as needed be it slowly or quickly (we have complete control). The injectors are turned off before the throttle plate closes when you let off the gas. This is not like previous systems using the Hobbes Pressure switch. In those systems the fuel injectors were usually stepped in under only a few adjustments. We maintain total and complete control on these injectors. They can be stepped in gradually so that you are not running overly rich while boosted. Two days of our road testing were spent adjusting the injectors fuel map.

The piggyback can do the exact same thing with Nitrous setups. Progressive Nitrous Control can be done with the piggyback. This is good because you can progressively increase your shot. In some setups, you may a 35 shot at the lower end, and a 150 shot at the top end. Used along with spark retard, this will be a very efficent system, and most of all safe. If anyone would like to look into this, please contact me.
 
I don't want to be a kid with a stick, but I've always heard that injectors "up stream" is not the way to go as you cannot guarantee full or accurate mixing (bad work choice, but I can't think right now). I'm sure this system is good. . .obviously it is working, so I'm not saying it is bad.

Anyway, basically you cannot guarantee that enough fuel gets to each cylinder. Mind you this was PhD Engineers that sleep and eat motors, but that could also mean they are TOO damn anal and were fretting over a 1% variation. However, they always said that using an injector per cylinder is the way to go. I think this is a great development for us and am considering it myself (along with a bunch of others). So, we're all hungry for knowledge. . .keep up the good trail of info!

Also, how do you turn off the injectors before the throttle plate closes. . .can't really delay the throttle plate (cable), but if the injectors are close, the electronics will be the mechanical cable action.

Oh well. . .<pop> there goes another balloon. . .I'm a bastard and I know it.

Love the setup though. Keep the information coming!
 
I cant see how an uneven mixture would be possibly..Since the injectors fire only under boost situations, like Micah explained before, the fuels is atomized as it is released..Obviously air is goin to each cylinder, so why wouldnt fuel?

Even if amount of fuel that goes to each cylinder isnt exaxtly the same, why would htis causea problem? As long as each cylinder has enough boost to not run lean, I dont see theproblem? I am just thinkin of this logically because I dont have the engine knowhow to correctly asnwer the question
 
Pricing

I'm sitting at the shop with Nick M. right now.

As everyone has been asking for it, here is the pricing, and a description of the kits:

Stage I:

- IHI VC32 Turbo @ 6psi for AT, adjustable up to 8psi for MT
- Large Spearco FMIC 525cfm efficeint up to 350HP
2.25" mandrel bent inlet tubing
2.5" mandrel bent outlet tubing
- 2 Auxilliary Bosch 260cc Multi-nozzle Fuel Injectors
(mounted just before the throttle body on the intake).
- Modern Performance Inc. Piggyback included
with preset adjustable maps and tuning software*
- AutoMeter Phantom Series Boost Gauge
- AutoMeter Pillar mount Single Gauge Pod
- Auxilliary Injector Activation Indicator LED
- Heavy Duty Transmission Cooler (for AT)
- Manual Boost Control Valve (for MT)
- 2.5" Mandrel Exhaust Downpipe
$3749.99

Stage II:

- Garrett T3 Turbo @ 12psi
- Large Spearco FMIC 525cfm efficeint up to 350HP
2.5" mandrel bent inlet tubing
2.5" mandrel bent outlet tubing
- 75mm Mass Airflow Sensor
(custom calibrated for Mazda Protege's)
- 2 Auxilliary Bosch 350cc Mult-nozzle Fuel Injectors
(mounted just before the throttle body on the
intake)
- Modern Performance Inc Piggyback
with preset adjustable maps and tuning software*
- AutoMeter Phantom Series Boost Gauge
- AutoMeter Pillar mount Single Gauge Pod
- Auxilliary Injector Activation Indicator LED
- Piggyback Programmable Boost Control Valve
with dual boost control levels**
- 2.5" Mandrel Exhaust Downpipe
$4199.99

Stage III: (Must be used with Forged Internals - not included)

- Garrett TO4E Turbo @ 20psi
- Massive Spearco FMIC 760cfm efficient up to 550HP
2.5" mandrel bent inlet tubing
2.5" mandrel bent outlet tubing
- 80mm Mass Airflow Sensor
(custom calibrated for Mazda Protege's)
- 4 Auxilliary Bosch 260cc Mult-nozzle Fuel Injectors
(mounted in the intake manifold)
- Modern Performance Inc Piggyback
with preset adjustable maps and tuning software*
- AutoMeter Phantom Series Boost Gauge
- AutoMeter Phantom Series A/F Gauge (w/ wideband O2 Sensor)
- AutoMeter Pillar mount Dual Gauge Pod
- Auxilliary Injector Activation Indicator LED
- Piggyback Programmable Boost Control Valve
with dual boost control levels**
- 3" Mandrel Exhuast Downpipe (req. custom 3" Exhaust)
- Spal 980cfm Cooling Fan
- Custom Ported and Polished Exhaust Manifold
$5699.95

Options:
- Forged Internals Kit
Pistons
Rods
Rings
Bearings
Gaskets
Timing Belt
$1895.00

- Custom 3" Exhaust System
High Flow 3" Stainless Steel Cat
High Flow 3" Polished Stainless Steel Muffler
High Flow 3" Mandrel Bent Tubing
Polished Stainless Steel Tip
$795.00




*Windows 95 and above - requires an available COM port - must be COM1, COM2, COM3, or COM4 - exception it will work with a USB serial adapter. If you have a MAC, please contact me, we are interested in results with Virtual PC.

** Dual Boost control levels will enable you to use more aggressive programming ( 100 Octane Fuel Mandatory )


Thoughts:

We have the only kits offering complete engine management, this includes - spark retard, supplemental progressive fuel mapping via extra injectors (this function may also be used in non-turbo setups to control progressive nitrous control), stock fuel injector mapping(requires our custom mass air sensor, programmable timing retard based on engine load, and of course the largest intercooler currently offered for the protege kits.

The dual programming function of the piggyback, will allow the unit to store two separate programs. These can be literally changed with a flick of a switch, enabling you to maximize HP when running high octane (100 and above) fuel.

The Spal fan included with the Stage III kit is on my car. This fan moves alot of air. Anyone who sees my car will be able to verify this. Also the Stage III will include a fuel pump.

As always anything can be customized - Nick M. operates a full machine shop and has 25 years experience in High Performance Engine building and tuning. If you would like information regarding installation please contact Nick M. at Modern Performance Inc. (732) 222-3679.

Any questions, feel free to get in touch with me. Email me @ turbomicah at aol dot com or PM me. I check the forum often. In the next few days I will be posting pricing on items such as the Mass Air, Piggyback, Extra Injectors, and Boost Controller. Look for them in the options section.
 
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Little Beavis said:
I don't want to be a kid with a stick, but I've always heard that injectors "up stream" is not the way to go as you cannot guarantee full or accurate mixing (bad work choice, but I can't think right now). I'm sure this system is good. . .obviously it is working, so I'm not saying it is bad.

Anyway, basically you cannot guarantee that enough fuel gets to each cylinder. Mind you this was PhD Engineers that sleep and eat motors, but that could also mean they are TOO damn anal and were fretting over a 1% variation. However, they always said that using an injector per cylinder is the way to go. I think this is a great development for us and am considering it myself (along with a bunch of others). So, we're all hungry for knowledge. . .keep up the good trail of info!

Also, how do you turn off the injectors before the throttle plate closes. . .can't really delay the throttle plate (cable), but if the injectors are close, the electronics will be the mechanical cable action.

Oh well. . .<pop> there goes another balloon. . .I'm a bastard and I know it.

Love the setup though. Keep the information coming!

The OEM intake design spec is how the engine was designed to run. If an intake runner flows a set percentage less of air, it will consequently flow that same set percentage of atomized fuel and air. This formula only applies to a pressurized intake manifold where you don't have fuel puddling. This is not a problem. If, and I stress if, there is a difference in flow characteristics on our engines - it's not showing up on my car.

With the piggyback, the injectors are shutting off well before you are off the throttle. We have no rough idling or stalling off throttle. You can mash the gas and let off in any gear including out of gear, and engine returns to it's stock idle.
 
do you have any pics of the extra injectors and where they are located?? How long is KZA car gonna be there for, i would like to come check it out.
 

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