miata vs. MSP

[4001]

"During the test sessions for this article, the Racing Beat Miata set the highest to date slalom speed (70.6 MPH) ever recorded by Sport Compact Car"
The Miata has a big advantage that the MSP can only dream of.

An engine that doesn't suck, RWD, 50/50 f/r weight distribution.

Oh wait did I say ONE advantage....

SCC Spet. 2003
MazdaSpeed Protege Slalom speed- 71.4MPH

......you were saying

With all those advantages your saying the MSP should be inferior performance wise, and yet.... its not, the "inferior" car can keep up just fine

 

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

miata / MSP

I had both as you can see the Miata hands down does have more torque off the line but the MSP all around power is better like I said with the MSP being boosted and have exhaust the MSP is quicker.

 

[4001]

you totalled it.... figures, being an asshole will catch up to ya

 

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

No a guy pulled out in front of me Now I had NOS on the Miata to pushing another 70 hp

 

[CarlM2]

I've had 2 Miata's... a touring package '99 that I regretted selling which was later replaced with an '01 with every option I wanted and the color I wanted. I intended to put some sort of FI on it but, never did because it was going to cost $5-6,k. I was also tired of the impracticality, lack of performance, cramped feeling interior, etc. If the Miata had another 50HP, it would be as fast as it looks. However, it doesn't. The motor sounds like a tractor that seems to work against itself the higher it revs. It's an old motor that's be reworked to death but, keeps making money for Mazda.... so, why change it?

You can't swap many FWD motors into a RWD car because of the way the oil runs around the engine and back to the pan. Plus, the height of some engines make it tough to fit under the hood.

The MSP does 'fun' a lot better than the Miata did for me. I think the performance is better in the MSP if you're more comfortable driving it than the Miata because you'll be more confident and sure of what you're doing.

 

[Sparkz28SS]

I dont care what you do or how much power a miata makes its stilll really really ghey.....and 300rwhp is nothing to freak out about...

 

[redrims]

Yeh, but can you stick a V8 in a MSP?

A V8 Miata is the AWESOMEST. There is NOTHING better!

 

[70]

"During the test sessions for this article, the Racing Beat Miata set the highest to date skidpad value (1.1g) and slalom speed (70.6 MPH) ever recorded by Sport Compact Car"

...(snip)...

An engine that doesn't suck, RWD, 50/50 f/r weight distribution.

(snip)...

Ok, so that' still not the "stock" Miata. I like how you consistently compare non-stock cars to the stock cars...Oh wait, maybe you are just unhappy that Mazdaspeed did the Protege first.

And how does the FS engine suck...Show proof, not you opinion.

And why do you flame everything someone posts around here? Have anything better to do?

 

[charles]

I'd still like to see a FS-DE hit over 300 whp. Oh wait...


And an MSP being more fun to drive than a Miata? (lol)

Regarding the gay comment...
If we look at how many MSPs have been wrecked compared to the total number of MSPs in existence we can conclude that MSP owners are the worst drivers in the world.

Don't flip your MSPs now ya hear

OH THE IRONY

 

[Flat Black]

Yeh, but can you stick a V8 in a MSP?

A V8 Miata is the AWESOMEST. There is NOTHING better!

I think a 3-rotor is. Just say NO to V8's.

 

[INGREXCO]

Plenty comfy

o the p5 was better!

 

[KpaBap]

Ok, so that' still not the "stock" Miata. I like how you consistently compare non-stock cars to the stock cars...Oh wait, maybe you are just unhappy that Mazdaspeed did the Protege first.

And how does the FS engine suck...Show proof, not you opinion.

And why do you flame everything someone posts around here? Have anything better to do?

At 12 psi the FS engine will make around 200-210 whp. At 12 psi the BP will make around 245-250 whp.

At 15 psi, the BP motor makes around 300 whp.

We've seen Miatas that run 26 psi and make around 400 whp. On the BP motor.

What does the FS hit at 26 psi again?

And yeah, I have better things to do, it's just becoming lame how the MSP is supposed to be the best thing ever made by man.

I'd like to pit an experienced Miata driver vs. an experienced MSP driver on an autocross course.

Numbers mean nothing to me.

 

[charles]

maybe you should shut up, I mean, you did drive your protege off a cliff, didn't you?

 

[70]

At 12 psi the FS engine will make around 200-210 whp. At 12 psi the BP will make around 245-250 whp.

At 15 psi, the BP motor makes around 300 whp.

We've seen Miatas that run 26 psi and make around 400 whp. On the BP motor.

What does the FS hit at 26 psi again?

And yeah, I have better things to do, it's just becoming lame how the MSP is supposed to be the best thing ever made by man.

I'd like to pit an experienced Miata driver vs. an experienced MSP driver on an autocross course.

Numbers mean nothing to me.

Where have you seen the 200-210 @12 psi on the FS? I forget the last numbers the HiBoost car made. And you are right, no one has tried 26 psi yet.

I can understand that MSP owners think the car is best thing ever. But it seems to me you are taking that same stance with the Miata.

And if numbers mean nothing to you, why did you just post all of that?

 

[cablemirc]

On gay.com they have a listing for the most popular gay mans car. Its the BMW Z4, lol (upbum) (gay)

question is.. why were you on gay.com? LOL

 

[cortez]

If you went faster around a road course in an MSProtege on street tires than a Spec Miata on race tires, you were not driving the Miata correctly or the Miata was broken. No other way around it. I know you said that you didn't push either car, so it should not be a surprise that you saw higher speeds down the straight with the MSP. I mean, if you start from zero, the MSP will be faster, but if you put a corner before the straight, the Miata will enter the straight at a speed much higher than the MSP and it will more than make up for having less power. Miatas can carry insane amounts of speed in a corner.

My last Spec Miata pulled 1.3 g's on steady state corners. Show me any car, let alone an MSP on street tires that can do that. It also had only about 115hp to the wheels, but it only weighted 2050 by itself. Granted, it was a race car, but it was street legal and I drove it to the track and back.

The only thing keeping a completely stock Miata from lapping a road course faster than an MSP is the stock tires.

 

[Sparkz28SS]

I think a 3-rotor is. Just say NO to V8's.

just say no to 600rwhp???....nah its ok.... I like the power

 

[Notorious]

Yeh, but can you stick a V8 in a MSP?

A V8 Miata is the AWESOMEST. There is NOTHING better!

I have a picture at home of an LS1 miata. Looks stock... until he opened the hood.

 

[70]

I have a picture at home of an LS1 miata. Looks stock... until he opened the hood.

I've seen that picture running around all over...

 

[YuYuRena]

At 12 psi the FS engine will make around 200-210 whp. At 12 psi the BP will make around 245-250 whp.

At 15 psi, the BP motor makes around 300 whp.

We've seen Miatas that run 26 psi and make around 400 whp. On the BP motor.

What does the FS hit at 26 psi again?

And yeah, I have better things to do, it's just becoming lame how the MSP is supposed to be the best thing ever made by man.

I'd like to pit an experienced Miata driver vs. an experienced MSP driver on an autocross course.

Numbers mean nothing to me.

What turbo did you use? Is your fuel system, engine management system, intake system, and exhaust system the same? You can't compare the 2 engine, since they have differences in each of these systems. Although, I can't wait to see what Mazdaspeed Eunos (miata) would be like