Mazdaspeed's for $15,999

[rodslinger]

that's like saying a 255hp mustang is better than a 255hp rx7. 170hp at 6500 RPM on a turbo and an n/a is the exact same at 6500rpm..... only thing is that in those lower RPM's and lower gears the turbo is going to smoke the non turbo. Don't know how many times i've pulled up to a mustang with a lot more HP than my RX7 and I've completely obliterated them... all thanks to having a turbo.

I'm sure weight had no say in the matter between the Stang and the RX-7?

With regards to the turbo car having the advantage at lower RPM's I think you may be mistaken a little. Turbo cars have no torque advantage over n/a (given they are identical motors) until the boost comes in. Try pulling on a Spec-V with both of you shifting before 3000rpms and see what happens. They're both 170hp cars, but the torque is in a more functional area on the Spec.

 

[Pkay]

I'm sure weight had no say in the matter between the Stang and the RX-7?

With regards to the turbo car having the advantage at lower RPM's I think you may be mistaken a little. Turbo cars have no torque advantage over n/a (given they are identical motors) until the boost comes in. Try pulling on a Spec-V with both of you shifting before 3000rpms and see what happens. They're both 170hp cars, but the torque is in a more functional area on the Spec.

Well considering the stang was supposed to have about 70 more hp than me i think it more than compensates for his weight. Not to mention it's not just a matter of being faster than them but putting a bus length in betwen me and them.

Regardless a 170hp car and a 170hp car with a turbo make a run..... the turbo will 9 times out of 10 pull ahead with no problems.... even our cars hit their max HP fairly early...... a non-turbo takes quit a bit longer to hit their max hp area..... the 2 seconds longer it takes to hit 170hp are the 2 seconds the turbo will pull haead.

After the initial point where a torque monster would get a jump you then have to deal with the fact that torque isnt everything, especially when you blow your wad initially.

 

[brennan]

From what I have seen on this site and owning a p5 before the msp, It cost's way less to get more HP out of a turbo and is easier to do. even with $2000 invested into the p5 you would only really gain about 25whp if that. Now with $200 into a turbo car AKA boost controller 25whp. When I added an exhaust to my p5 it added maybe 5whp now on a msp it adds 20whp.

 

[Flat Black]

The new Mazda3 will have a 150hp 2.3 liter, a tuned down version of the 2.3, as to not have as much power as the 2.3 liter Mazda 6.

 

[Cam]

Hey EXA4DRIVER! I'm in Oxnard, CA. My local dealership won't budge from the MSRP $21,000. Which dealership in Riverside is knocking $5 grand off MSRP. I am totally interested.

 

[kazson]

just bought my MSP for 17,000 and some change a month ago i should have waited

 

[Protege Type 5]

Well considering the stang was supposed to have about 70 more hp than me i think it more than compensates for his weight. Not to mention it's not just a matter of being faster than them but putting a bus length in betwen me and them.

Regardless a 170hp car and a 170hp car with a turbo make a run..... the turbo will 9 times out of 10 pull ahead with no problems.... even our cars hit their max HP fairly early...... a non-turbo takes quit a bit longer to hit their max hp area..... the 2 seconds longer it takes to hit 170hp are the 2 seconds the turbo will pull haead.

After the initial point where a torque monster would get a jump you then have to deal with the fact that torque isnt everything, especially when you blow your wad initially.

pk4 i guess you are talking about drag, because on technical circuits with *Real* challenges such as multiple connected hairpin turns... high revving N/A motors own.

 

[Pkay]

pk4 i guess you are talking about drag, because on technical circuits with *Real* challenges such as multiple connected hairpin turns... high revving N/A motors own.

I think that's fairly obvious as we were talking about speed.....

though turbo or non-turbo would have absolutely nothing to do with a "technical circuit" but more so with every other aspect of your car. Once again i use the mustang as an example. non turbo, high reving, high powered, but would be absolutely horrible in an autocross enviroment.

Don't worry... no one was talking bad about the P5.... no need to get defensive.

 

[1sty]

In Austin they are selling Mazdaspeed's for $15,999+TT&L
To bad I'm not buying one anymore. So if you know anyone that's looking for one let them know. Just trying to help out other people!!!!!


Art

I think dealer invoice is like $18.5K minues the $2000 rebate and then the ~$700 dealer hold over and you can theoreticly get the car for $15,800 and the dealer can still make some money on it.

All rough numbers but you get the idea

 

[scott42]

wow, do I feel shafted with an MP3 for 18k lol
*quietly contemplates*hmmm, now if I could get 11k on a trade, and finance for 0%, could it happen*

NOOOOO, it'll still clunk (thumb)

 

[Kooldino]

WOW, got pics of the sale stickers, etc?

 

[ae3753]

http://www.mazdasouth.com/html2/newspecs.php

2003 MazdaSpeed Proteg

$15,995
Plus TT&L, NO HIDDEN FEES,
Delivered in Central Texas

SAVE $4,505

MSRP $20,500 - $2,000 REBATE TO DEALER - $2,505 DEALER DISCOUNT = $14,995 +TT&L.

btw, they are a great dealership. Mazda South is the best car dealership that I have ever dealt with.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

my mom is looking at a Mazdaspeed Protege - if she can get one for close to this price i might be able to convince her away from that fugly Civic SI she has been eyeing