Mazdaspeed6 "Lack of power" Recall??

[TheMAN]

I take it you haven't read the recall letters?
if you haven't heard of such a state law than its obviously a FEDERAL law

 

[dmitrik4]

I take it you haven't read the recall letters?
if you haven't heard of such a state law than its obviously a FEDERAL law

1. i've never had a car recalled.
2. why would it "obviously" be a federal law? i've never heard of this law *period*, and i was asking in good faith for you to point me to the source of your information. if you can't, then just say so, b/c that response was zero help.

 

[TheMAN]

if you have read the recall letter then you would see clearly in bolded letters that it is against federal law to sell a vehicle with an open recall

not addressing a recall is a violation of the tort laws... here's an extreme example of one http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=94&did=778

 

[dmitrik4]

i'd be interested in seeing the letter. it seems incongruous to charge someone with a violation of a law for failing to address a recall they reasonably might not have known about (aren't recall letters sent via regular, not certified, mail?).

that article seems to refer only to a dealer's responsibility; dealers are held to a higher standard of care than individual resellers. it also seems to draw a distinction between situations in which the seller knows or should know the recalled product is dangerous and fails to reasonably inform the buyer of the danger, and those situations where the open recall does not render the product dangerous. in the former, the seller might incur liability for the buyer's resulting injuries; in the latter, that outcome doesn't necessarily follow.

also, there's a difference between a prohibited sale and a seller's subsequent liability for the consequences of an uncompleted recall. a seller might be liable for injuries to a buyer resulting from the seller's failure to exercise reasonable care, but that would not bar the actual sale itself. the article deals with the dealers' liability for the buyers' injuries, not with the legality of any sales.

all that said, i agree that people should just get the recall done and quit trying to outsmart the mazda engineers. even if it does cost a few hp, what difference does it make? these are road cars, not F1 racers.

 

[DSpec]

For those who have already had this:

Does the car feel slower/sluggish?

Does the car lose low end torque?

Any dyno numbers pre and post?

Any other general praises or complaints about this "fix"?


1. Yes. The Speed 6 feels slower. Confirmed by my wife who drove it as well.
2. Torque seems to be down throughout the powerband. (Sixth gear acceleration while cruising at 50 mph is literally not there. Prior to the reflash, there seemed to be torque everywhere.)
3. UNfortauntely, no all wheel drive dynos where I live.
4. Gas mileage is worse.

 

[Bigg Tim]

For those who have already had this:

Does the car feel slower/sluggish?

Does the car lose low end torque?

Any dyno numbers pre and post?

Any other general praises or complaints about this "fix"?


1. Yes. The Speed 6 feels slower. Confirmed by my wife who drove it as well.
2. Torque seems to be down throughout the powerband. (Sixth gear acceleration while cruising at 50 mph is literally not there. Prior to the reflash, there seemed to be torque everywhere.)
3. UNfortauntely, no all wheel drive dynos where I live.
4. Gas mileage is worse.

I just dyno'd mine after I put on a 3" exhaust and it didn't make much more power. You can see on the dyno that I did not maintain as much boost for as long as I did pre-flash. The car fealt much better after the flash though and it feels even stronger now with the exhaust. I did notice that I do not maintain 15psi as long, it seems to want to go to 12-13psi pretty quick after I hit 15psi.

 

[hockey]

After the reflash, I noticed a significant loss of power. The turbo does not seem to be kicking in at all, the engine seems like a naturally aspirated engine.

 

[bigmixx]

I was at the dealership yesterday getting my car detailed because they did a bad job when I bought it and a sales guy comes up to me and asks me if I had the turbo on my car "serviced" yet. I said no. He then says that I should set an appointment to have it "serviced". I'm guessing he must be referring to this flash update. After reading these posts I'm not so sure I want to.

 

[jdub260]

I was at the dealership yesterday getting my car detailed because they did a bad job when I bought it and a sales guy comes up to me and asks me if I had the turbo on my car "serviced" yet. I said no. He then says that I should set an appointment to have it "serviced". I'm guessing he must be referring to this flash update. After reading these posts I'm not so sure I want to.

Call him and ask him what exactly does "Serviced" mean?? He might just be talking about you first scheduled oil change/tire rotation and stuff like that. The turbo itself does not need service.

 

[bigmixx]

I called him back and he said that it was a "tune-up" for the turbo. He said that they do it on all new speed 6's after once they're past the break-in period of about 500-600 miles. He definitely wasn't referring to the first oil-change/tire rotation.

 

[ChicagoKid]

a "tune-up" for the turbo. He said that they do it on all new speed 6's after once they're past the break-in period of about 500-600 miles.

What exactly is this service? My dealer didn't mention this to me. What do they have to do???

I have another appt to get the reflash done again. I'll ask about this.

 

[Nino Uvita]

Be careful, there is not such maintenance scheduled on the Owners Manual. I can tell you by experience that some dealerships come up with procedures that are not specify by the OEMs, but they offer it to make some additional money.

(shocked)

 

[Bu11dogg2]

heat soak FTL

 

[bigmixx]

What exactly is this service? My dealer didn't mention this to me. What do they have to do???

I have another appt to get the reflash done again. I'll ask about this.

My guess is that he is just referring to this flash. I figure he just didn't want to say there could be a problem with your brand new $28,000 car that causes a loss of power.

 

[Nino Uvita]

What is FTL?

 

[WaxiP5]

For
The
Lose

 

[ns80]

I have a post explaining what I experienced after the flash in the main forum post on this topic, so in summary I'll just say it sucks. It did seem to cure the intermittent power loss issue I experienced, but it killed top end acceleration. I'm trying to get the dealer to reflash with the old version, but I doubt they will. In any case I'm going to contact Mazda and make some noise about this. If I could do it over I would definitely skip the flash until they absolutely required me to get it.

 

[speedlouis]

hi somebody dyno after the flash ???

 

[hockey]

Yes, I am not happy with my reflash either. I brought it in again, and they did another reflash last week. Still from the seat of my pants, the power is not there. Yes, the hesitation problem is gone, but the turbo power is far reduced. I'm wondering if the reflash has pulled a couple of psi out of the boost. I'd sure like to get a dyno to confirm the power, because it does not seem like I'm driving a turbo car with 274 HP.

 

[Boosted24]

Hockey my speed6 is doing the same thing it seems to me that the turbo is spooling later