Mazdaspeed 3

[Stickee]

I've been driving Subarus all my life. If they released a Mazdaspeed3 here, with 240 hp and AWD, with similar pricing as a WRX, I would definitely consider it. I always felt that Mazda had really good styling. Same goes with releasing the EVO in Canada, but that's an entirely different topic.

All I can say is with the release of all these sportier compacts, it only benefits us, the consumers.

 

[Kain]

i hate the coupe most...

Good thing there is no coupe...

 

[jersey_emt]

I will start writing to MNA right away to make sure they get to know I WANT A MAZDASPEED 3 AWD with 240 HP...!!! (naughty)

I think they can make it for around 23K, and that would be good. More than 24K would be a little too much.

Regarding the horsepower, I hope they use the 2.3 engine, because I very much doubt they'll get 240 HP out of the 2.0 motor.

Now on to those rain letters...

Later,
Andrs.

Shouldn't be any problem at all to get 240HP out of the Mazda 3's 2.0L engine.

 

[Airman Jack]

I agree!!! 240 out of a 2.0L engine wouldn't be much of a stretch, and a 2.0 will make it legal for the WRC circuit... Mazdaspeed rally edition anyone? come on, who else doesn't think that would be sexy!! the 2.3L (and yes, I understand that there is no replacement for displacement) would however make it illegal to race under a number of major rally circuits

 

[Kain]

I agree!!! 240 out of a 2.0L engine wouldn't be much of a stretch, and a 2.0 will make it legal for the WRC circuit... Mazdaspeed rally edition anyone? come on, who else doesn't think that would be sexy!! the 2.3L (and yes, I understand that there is no replacement for displacement) would however make it illegal to race under a number of major rally circuits

I don't believe Mazda has ever achieved 100hp per liter from a non-rotary engine. What you're asking for, 240hp from a 2.0L, is 140hp per liter. I think the 2.3L is more in the realm of possibility...

... though knowing Mazda, they'll rate it at 240hp, wait until half the stock is sold, say it's actually 225hp and offer buybacks or cash.

 

[Airman Jack]

120 (not 140) hp. per litre isn't too unreasonable, the WRX STi in Canada pushes 300hp, so it's possible, should they take the time and money to develop it. Turbocharged and intercooled, with a decent exhaust, I'd bet even money on a 240hp 2.0L. Sadly I think you're right, Mazda may just take the easy route and bump up the 2.3L engine, though it would be a loss to rally fans who are also mazda enthusiasts (such as myself!)

 

[Black Majik MSP]

With Mazda's track record for hp increases with turbo kits, I think the best you folks can hope for is 200hp from a 2.3L turbo.

 

[Kain]

120 (not 140) hp. per litre...

Oops, you're right. Flu + fever = bad math.

In any case, to expect Mazda (a car company known more for good looking vehicles that handle well) to bump a 160hp engine to 240hp is asking a bit much. That's a 50% increase in power, whereas the Mazdaspeed Protege saw a 30% increase and the Mazdaspeed Miata only saw a 25% increase.

I think 200hp - 220hp is more like it from the 2.3L.

 

[Black Majik MSP]

Oops, you're right. Flu + fever = bad math.

In any case, to expect Mazda (a car company known more for good looking vehicles that handle well) to bump a 160hp engine to 240hp is asking a bit much. That's a 50% increase in power, whereas the Mazdaspeed Protege saw a 30% increase and the Mazdaspeed Miata only saw a 25% increase.

I think 200hp - 220hp is more like it from the 2.3L.

Exactly what I was referring to in my post. Hell, look at the STi...it was only a 32% increase over the WRX. The only way you get hugely different #s are with a hugely different motor (for example, the SRT4).

 

[Gen1GT]

Looks like it's time for school to begin.

Mazda has been in for racing for quite a long time, and you shouldn't underestimate their ability to produce serious race machine. Other than the rotories, there have been others.

There was the 86+ 323 GTX, with 130hp and AWD which WAS sold in North America(I just did an autotrader search, and there are 3 for sale in the States).

There was the Protege 4wd, which only sold very few and were mostly sold in the Northern States and Canada. One of my friends owned one.

There's the Protege(Familia) GTX from japan. AWD and 170hp from it's 1.8 BPT. (94hp/l)

Then there's the 323 GT-R from Japan, with 210hp and AWD. Once again, the BP 1.8 turbo. This car did 1/4 in the mid 13s stock. It was made for FIA rally competition, and they're super rare.

So if anyone thinks Mazda can't make a 2.0 AWD turbo with at least 240hp, they're very wrong......

I don't know about everyone else, but I'd LOVE to see Mazda get back into the rally scene....

 

[Gen1GT]

Oops, you're right. Flu + fever = bad math.

In any case, to expect Mazda (a car company known more for good looking vehicles that handle well) to bump a 160hp engine to 240hp is asking a bit much. That's a 50% increase in power, whereas the Mazdaspeed Protege saw a 30% increase and the Mazdaspeed Miata only saw a 25% increase.

I think 200hp - 220hp is more like it from the 2.3L.

The FS was never designed to be boosted. It was the max it could go with it still being reliable. The new L-series engines are kickass. Super strong and durable. I'm sure when they made them, they were made with boost in mind. 10-12psi on the 2.0 should be good for 240hp. I see no problem there....

 

[Airman Jack]

ah ha! a brother rally enthusiast! now if we can only convince mazdaspeed....

 

[tttP5]

I agree!!! 240 out of a 2.0L engine wouldn't be much of a stretch, and a 2.0 will make it legal for the WRC circuit... Mazdaspeed rally edition anyone? come on, who else doesn't think that would be sexy!! the 2.3L (and yes, I understand that there is no replacement for displacement) would however make it illegal to race under a number of major rally circuits

why is having more displacement better?
the toyota 1.8l engine gets 130hp, our protege 2.0l engine gets 130hp too...

 

[Gen1GT]

why is having more displacement better?
the toyota 1.8l engine gets 130hp, our protege 2.0l engine gets 130hp too...

Don't forget the ol B18C5, with 195hp from 1.8L. And the Toyota 4AGE A111 20V, with 175hp from 1.6L.....who needs displacement? (mj)

 

[mp5jeff]

mazda rating of 240hp plus awd drivetrain will = 170whp =)

 

[Airman Jack]

mp5jeff:
there's always a cynic in the crowd I read on someones post in here that they're putting down about 145whp from their 2.3L, and with some polyurethane engine bushings that loss could easily be dropped.

tttP5:
I said before that there is no replacement for displacement, because, well, you can get more power out of a bigger engine! BUT that isn't to say that a well tuned small engine can produce huge amounts of power, though we won't see insane numbers like 800hp that you could see coming from a Nissan Skyline GT-R (cool)

but as Gen1GT said, the new L engine series is stronger, and will safely handle higher boost pressures. If someone were to go absolutely nuts with the 2.0L, they could conceiveably pull 300hp with a reasonable amount of reliability. There is a tuner in toronto (bloody hell.. I hate the *I heard this guy once say that his brother...* posts ) who claims to be able to yank 300hp out of a civic engine.

 

[4001]

Does anyone know the Engine code for the Mazda3?

 

[Gen1GT]

mp5jeff:
there's always a cynic in the crowd I read on someones post in here that they're putting down about 145whp from their 2.3L, and with some polyurethane engine bushings that loss could easily be dropped.

tttP5:
I said before that there is no replacement for displacement, because, well, you can get more power out of a bigger engine! BUT that isn't to say that a well tuned small engine can produce huge amounts of power, though we won't see insane numbers like 800hp that you could see coming from a Nissan Skyline GT-R (cool)

but as Gen1GT said, the new L engine series is stronger, and will safely handle higher boost pressures. If someone were to go absolutely nuts with the 2.0L, they could conceiveably pull 300hp with a reasonable amount of reliability. There is a tuner in toronto (bloody hell.. I hate the *I heard this guy once say that his brother...* posts ) who claims to be able to yank 300hp out of a civic engine.

The shop where I get my work done currently has a 900hp civic. They race in CSCS. You could easily get the 2.0 with 300hp reliably. I think I mentioned that there's a Mazda6 drag car with the 2.3 capable of 1200whp.

 

[Gen1GT]

Does anyone know the Engine code for the Mazda3?

2.0 LF-DE
2.3 L3-VE

 

[Airman Jack]

900hp! from the stock civic engine? how many runs do they get out of one of those before they have to change the engine?

edit: I know 900hp is not coming from a STOCK engine, but how much of the original engine remains once it's developing that kind of power? (smash)