Mazda dealership botched my oil change

mangas

Member
I changed the oil myself with 500 miles on my 2007 Speed3.

In a rush, and with some misgivings (since I've read the horror stories), I had the next oil change done (3100 mi) at the Mazda dealership. Dropped the car off with them this morning.

I got a call from them this evening saying that they would need to keep the car an extra day because the mechanic had badly overfilled the oil. I'm aware of the dangers of running with overfilled oil so I asked the service manager bluntly if the car had been started after oil was refilled. He assured me that the mechanic caught it in time and did NOT start the car. He went on to tell me that they will need to pull off the manifold and check for oil "as a precautionary measure".

Does this explanation sound reasonable? Is there anything I should check tomorrow when I pick up the car to determine whether any real damage was done? Is there anything I should get clarified from the mechanic or service manager when I pick up the car? What signs of engine damage should I keep an eye out for after I get the car back?

Needless to say, I will be doing my own oil changes from now on...

Thanks for any words of wisdom.
 
Oil change

mangas said:
I changed the oil myself with 500 miles on my 2007 Speed3.

In a rush, and with some misgivings (since I've read the horror stories), I had the next oil change done (3100 mi) at the Mazda dealership. Dropped the car off with them this morning.

I got a call from them this evening saying that they would need to keep the car an extra day because the mechanic had badly overfilled the oil. I'm aware of the dangers of running with overfilled oil so I asked the service manager bluntly if the car had been started after oil was refilled. He assured me that the mechanic caught it in time and did NOT start the car. He went on to tell me that they will need to pull off the manifold and check for oil "as a precautionary measure".

Does this explanation sound reasonable? Is there anything I should check tomorrow when I pick up the car to determine whether any real damage was done? Is there anything I should get clarified from the mechanic or service manager when I pick up the car? What signs of engine damage should I keep an eye out for after I get the car back?

Needless to say, I will be doing my own oil changes from now on...

Thanks for any words of wisdom.
 
Oil change

mangas said:
I changed the oil myself with 500 miles on my 2007 Speed3.

In a rush, and with some misgivings (since I've read the horror stories), I had the next oil change done (3100 mi) at the Mazda dealership. Dropped the car off with them this morning.

I got a call from them this evening saying that they would need to keep the car an extra day because the mechanic had badly overfilled the oil. I'm aware of the dangers of running with overfilled oil so I asked the service manager bluntly if the car had been started after oil was refilled. He assured me that the mechanic caught it in time and did NOT start the car. He went on to tell me that they will need to pull off the manifold and check for oil "as a precautionary measure".

Does this explanation sound reasonable? Is there anything I should check tomorrow when I pick up the car to determine whether any real damage was done? Is there anything I should get clarified from the mechanic or service manager when I pick up the car? What signs of engine damage should I keep an eye out for after I get the car back?

Needless to say, I will be doing my own oil changes from now on...

Thanks for any words of wisdom.

My question is if he didn't start the car theres no reason to pull of the manifold!!!!!!! He would simply just have to drain some out at the oil pan. I have my doubts big time on that one guy. If you run an engine with too much oil , oil pressure will be very high and you will blow seals and or cause them to leak and have all kind of problems. But thats severe cases. let us know what happens. Good luck.
 
Um, if they are pulling the turbo manifold or anything to check for oil.. then they DEFINITELY started the car and only knew that they overfilled because they smelled the burning oil or the car was running funny from oil shooting out your turbo into your intercooler. That's no good! Definitely, definitely inspect it all yourself when you get it back, demand compensation from them for screwing up your car, get written acknowledgment from them that they messed up in case in the future you blow an oil seal or something and they try to deny warranty work, file a complaint with Mazda north america, etc.

For them to screw up like that on a brand new car makes me sick. Now I know why I do all my work myself. The only time someone else did the work on my car (body work) they ****** things up HORRIBLY!
 
THOSE IDIOTS!!!! I would be really F in Pissed... They started it, Hopefully what you want to hear is they didnt rev it! I had my eclipse done once before, they put the oil in twice, it didnt happen until I reved it, man Oil everywhere, out my exhuast a giant cloud, through my intake coming out of the intake filter, if I would have drove it for another minute my other Mech said the Headgasket would have blown! Dealers are really only interested in selling cars I swear! I would demand some compensation, and I dont mean another free oil change!!!
 
Definitely not another oil change for free.. **** that. An extended warranty (one you can go to another mazda dealership with) is in order...
 
day 2:
I spoke with the service manager in the morning by phone. When I pressed him on the question of how much oil they accidentally put in, he estimated 12 quarts, but said that most of it "just spilled out of the motor", implying that no real damage was done. He went on to explain that they need to clean the oil from the throttle body, and that the car might not be ready for another day if they can't get the throttle body gasket today. I expressed some concern and skepticism that the car was not started after the massive overfill and he again insisted that it wasn't, that the mechanic had caught it in time, and that doing so would have destroyed the motor. His statement that this mechanic has 12 years of experience was not particularly comforting to me. He assured me that he would provide full documentation of the error (which, incidentally, he blamed on a glitch in the oil dispensing machine) and the corrective actions taken subsequently. Finally, he invited me to drop by today so that he could show me the car and explain exactly what they are doing.

I went to the dealer later in the morning, saw my car, and spoke with the mechanic who did the work. He was extremely apologetic, saying he "felt sick over it", and seemed sincere to me. He was in no way dismissive of his mistake or of the potential damage to the motor. He was not the dimwitted noob I expected to find, and at this point I could only conclude that he made an honest mistake and would do his best to make it right. I am not excusing the mistake, and when the time comes, I will demand a new motor if necessary.

With the air intake removed, I could see oil pooled inside the throttle body. The mechanic estimated that 20 quarts went into the motor before he realized it. His belief is that the oil filled up into the head, leaked out through an open intake valve, and down into the intake manifold. [Others have pointed out to me that the PCV system is a more likely route of oil info the manifold, but the mechanic didn't buy this when I later suggested it to him.]

I spoke with the mechanic again in the evening and he said he had finished cleaning the oil from manifold and throttle body and would have my car ready for me the following day. I told the service manager than I expected full documentation of the mistake and the steps taken to correct it. He promised to provide this.

day 3:
After hearing nothing from the service department by 4pm, I spoke with the mechanic by phone and he said my car was ready. He told me he'd "been running it since 11am", and had taken it for 2 10-mile test drives, and that everything looked good. When I asked, he acknowledged that there was some smoke when he first started it, and attributed this to a small amount of oil probably having spilled into the exhaust. He also mentioned that he had cleaned some oil from the EGR tube. I asked if he could make sure those details made it into the service record and he said he would. Lastly, he noted that he had pressure washed the motor to clean any oil off the exterior. As an afterthought, I asked what oil he had used and he said 5W-20. I told him that the manual calls for 5W-30; he apologized and said he would replace the oil with 5W-30 right away.

I arrived at the dealer at 5pm (with a friend as my witness) to pick up the car. The mechanic had already left. At idle, the motor sounded a little different to me, although I have trouble describing the difference. During the test drive I let it warm up well before testing the power. The power seemed ok to me and I was still able to hit the high RPMs. A couple of times, I noticed some irregularity, almost a faint cough, as motor was returning to idle. My friend, who knows the car well, also drove it and I'll let him post his comments below.

As I requested, the service dept documented the error and corrective actions in the service record. The typed Comments section of service report reads:

During a routine service the engine was filled with approx 20 quarts of oil due to malfunction of oil dispensing equipment, as a result oil entered into the cylinder head through an open intake valve, and into intake manifold, a small amount of oil pooled into the throttle body. The manifold and throttle body were removed and cleaned thoroughly. The drive by wire sensor was not replaced, customer was provided a rental car for 3 days while the work was completed

I told them I was unsatisfied with the description because the mechanic himself had mentioned a few other things to me which had not been recorded (cleaning of EGR tube and oil getting into exhaust). The service manager explained that the report had been posted to their system already and that there was no way for them to modify it now. I insisted that this was unacceptable to me and he agreed to add some hand-written notes to my service record. He wrote:

Also removed EGR tube + cleaned oil + also removed all plugs and coils cleaned residue as required. Note: some oil in exhaust cleaned as needed.

He initialed his changes, made a photocopy for himself, and that was it. I left.

I am concerned that permanent damage may have been done to my motor but I'm not sure how to determine it.

Comments/suggestions appreciated.
 
That's total BS that they can't update the record in the system.. if that's true, then just make a new record!

20 friggin quarts.. hole crap! And after all that, to then put the wrong oil in the car haha. They're a MAZDA dealership, they should know the right oil to use, no?

I really hope down the line your car isn't messed up from this.

I'm really wondering about the oil pooled on the throttle body... because um if it was visible, it was on the throttle plate, so that means the car WAS started. I would be freaking out right now if I was you, I'm glad you are handling this well.
 
Honestly man I would be pretty concerned, you sound pretty concerned, but the fact that the car isnt just going to be driven for 5 years, after that warranty you dont expect to stop driving it. If something would happen you will really be kickin yourself in the a$$ for letting this go, Im not saying your are just letting this go and I honestly dont know what to say for you to do, but they should at the very least include some sort of exteneded warranty, because this wasnt your fault, you have a brand new car and everything should be BRAND NEW on it, not your just suppose to deal with it because it happend. Thats really BS. that sums it all up for me BS
 
Oil change screw up

voiceKoil said:
Honestly man I would be pretty concerned, you sound pretty concerned, but the fact that the car isnt just going to be driven for 5 years, after that warranty you dont expect to stop driving it. If something would happen you will really be kickin yourself in the a$$ for letting this go, Im not saying your are just letting this go and I honestly dont know what to say for you to do, but they should at the very least include some sort of exteneded warranty, because this wasnt your fault, you have a brand new car and everything should be BRAND NEW on it, not your just suppose to deal with it because it happend. Thats really BS. that sums it all up for me BS


I agree. I think its a mistake to just walk away from this without some type of extended warranty for sure. I would have at least demanded that and believe me they would have given it to you to keep you happy.
 
Here are the comments from my friend, who was there when I picked up the car, and also took it for a test drive:

Unfortunately we don't have any other speed3s around here to compare to, but the idle sounds much more rough to me than before. I remember the speed3 having a very distinct and synchronized electronic tick sound at idle (the fuel injectors I assume) which was not masked by any other noises, the engine was very quiet if I remember right. Now there seems to be some odd background noise that I just can't describe. Also at idle listening from the exhaust it seems to miss every once and a while, especially if we'd rev the car to about 2500rpm then let it fall back to idle, I could hear the engine missing on the way back down occasionally.

Now all of these things are very minor and hard to pick out, but what got me was when I got on the freeway, I did a shift from 2nd to 3rd at about 5k rpm and we actually got a slight backfire. I could not reproduce it for the rest of the drive but this seemed quite bad. Is it possibly some fluke that I got the timing right with my clutch/gas/rpm combo and this happens occasionally on the speed3s or is this absolutely a sign we've got a problem?

The mechanic did state that there was a small puff of black smoke when he started the car so I was thinking maybe there was still some unburned oil somewhere on the intake side that got sucked through the engine and burned (although oil should burn blue, but who knows how much he was paying attention).

To me all of these symptoms sound like a slightly bent exhaust valve. All sound descriptions aside the only way to know for sure is a full compression/leak down test. I've done this many times on Honda's and have all the tools to do it, I imagine the speed3 would be very similar? If not, based on what we've heard would you recommend we take it somewhere and have a compression + leak down test performed to ensure the integrity of the engine? Thanks for the help!
 
f50spyder said:
I agree. I think its a mistake to just walk away from this without some type of extended warranty for sure. I would have at least demanded that and believe me they would have given it to you to keep you happy.

For the record, I told the service manager that I was very concerned about damage having been done to the motor, and that I wanted them to compensate me with an extended warranty. His answer: "we won't do that. I've seen this happen a number of times before and it's not that big a deal as long as you clean it up right". This guy was not the least concerned with my happiness and I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere with him. I bought the car (3 weeks ago) at another dealer, in another state.

At this point, my plan is to report the incident to the BBB and to Mazda USA, and to have compression and leakdown tests done on the car (by an independent shop that I trust).

One other question: if I report the incident to Mazda, can they legally deny my request to purchase an extended warranty on this car, based on the chance that the vehicle may already be damaged?
 
mangas said:
Here are the comments from my friend, who was there when I picked up the car, and also took it for a test drive:

Unfortunately we don't have any other speed3s around here to compare to, but the idle sounds much more rough to me than before. I remember the speed3 having a very distinct and synchronized electronic tick sound at idle (the fuel injectors I assume) which was not masked by any other noises, the engine was very quiet if I remember right. Now there seems to be some odd background noise that I just can't describe. Also at idle listening from the exhaust it seems to miss every once and a while, especially if we'd rev the car to about 2500rpm then let it fall back to idle, I could hear the engine missing on the way back down occasionally.

Now all of these things are very minor and hard to pick out, but what got me was when I got on the freeway, I did a shift from 2nd to 3rd at about 5k rpm and we actually got a slight backfire. I could not reproduce it for the rest of the drive but this seemed quite bad. Is it possibly some fluke that I got the timing right with my clutch/gas/rpm combo and this happens occasionally on the speed3s or is this absolutely a sign we've got a problem?

The mechanic did state that there was a small puff of black smoke when he started the car so I was thinking maybe there was still some unburned oil somewhere on the intake side that got sucked through the engine and burned (although oil should burn blue, but who knows how much he was paying attention).

To me all of these symptoms sound like a slightly bent exhaust valve. All sound descriptions aside the only way to know for sure is a full compression/leak down test. I've done this many times on Honda's and have all the tools to do it, I imagine the speed3 would be very similar? If not, based on what we've heard would you recommend we take it somewhere and have a compression + leak down test performed to ensure the integrity of the engine? Thanks for the help!

I personally would take it back to that dealer and have them preform the leak down test at thier expense to ensure that nothing is wrong with the car. Besides you can expalin to them that the car isn't running like it should.
 
mangas said:
For the record, I told the service manager that I was very concerned about damage having been done to the motor, and that I wanted them to compensate me with an extended warranty. His answer: "we won't do that. I've seen this happen a number of times before and it's not that big a deal as long as you clean it up right". This guy was not the least concerned with my happiness and I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere with him. I bought the car (3 weeks ago) at another dealer, in another state.

At this point, my plan is to report the incident to the BBB and to Mazda USA, and to have compression and leakdown tests done on the car (by an independent shop that I trust).

One other question: if I report the incident to Mazda, can they legally deny my request to purchase an extended warranty on this car, based on the chance that the vehicle may already be damaged?

Absolutely do those tests and file those complains.. but first, go talk to the service manager and make him aware that you have complaints written up and are ready to submit them, but just wanted to give them one more chance to ease your fears (due to their s*** work).
 
Wait I just remembered you saying that they mentioned something about the oil coming out an open intake valve into the intake manifold.. it just hit me that for that ot happen, your entire combustion chamber would be completely filled with oil.. so either they pulled all your spark plugs and poured the oil in there or they are lying to you. I'm guessing their system wouldn't let them update that part of the service record, huh...
 
+1 for the car having been run. i would definately take it to a 3rd party mechanic and have them objectively check it out
 
interesting question arises...how did oil get in through an open intake valve? the rings should have stopped any massive quantities of oil from makeing its way into the intake and exhaust tract unless the engine was started then it just turns into one huge oil pump. And yes a leak down and compression test would be a very good idea at this point. It may just be the oil clearing its way out of obscure places which will most likly happen but you have alot left on the warrenty to worry about it now
 
btw where are you located there may be people here that could put a speed3 next to yours and see if there are any differences
 

New Threads and Articles

Back