mazda 6 S overrrated?

[jersey_emt]

22% drivetrain loss isn't all that horrible for an auto tranny. Not good, but not horrible.

 

[Newf]

22% is actually quite normal. Look at the performance stats of the 6 vs the ACcord/Altima. It's right there with em.

 

[msubullyfan]

22% is actually quite normal. Look at the performance stats of the 6 vs the ACcord/Altima. It's right there with em.

EXACTLY! Why put so much value in a number of hp that's stamped on a car? Just to brag that, "I got 15 more hp than you and your car"?

Here's a novel idea to the person who started this thread -- just drive 'em all and pick the one that you like the best. If you'll buy a Honda Accord just because it has 20 more hp stamped in a brochure, then go buy a Honda.

And, yes, future 6's will have more hp. Mazda NA execs have already stated that when the 6 is redesigned for 2007, it will probably have about 270 hp.

 

[Newf]

2007 Mazda 6 eh...

hopefully using a MAZDA engine this time, and not something that has anything to do with a FORD

 

[SVTJayC]

eh, 22% was for the manual, not the auto. And again, that FORD block is fine. It's the mazda heads that are the problem.

 

[Big_Red_1]

I must not be up on drivetrain loss on FWD cars....but 22% for a manual sounds WAY HIGH! My WS6 would have about 400 "stock" flywheel HP if it had that much loss. So either rear drive has much much less loss or the 6's engine is just plain overrated.

Wasn't the original rating 219 HP ??
If you take that and figure 18% loss you get 179HP. So, the 178WHP slip I seen posted sounds about right.

 

[Newf]

yeah originally it was 218 or 219.

at least from what I remember.


Still a Sexy car though.

it's amazing how much difference there is between cars( even same kind), and dyno's. I've seen stock ws6's hit 230-240 on a dyno quite often.

 

[marashka]

I agree about the torque steer...it scares the s*** outta ya until you get used to it. My father had a LeBaron GTS (2-liter turbo) and that thing sawwed away once you got on boost.

Kinda off-topic, but anyone aware of high-HP Skyline's having torque steer issues? Not sure how it splits the torque, but enough's gotta be going to the front end.

not sure on the newer skylines but r32 's center diff will transfer from 5% up of power to the front wheels depending on traction. under normal driving condition a gtr is pretty much a rwd with power 95% rear and 5% front. so not much torque steer there....

 

[Garfinkle]

Who cares about all of this BS. I have the V6 auto and all I can say is I like the way my car feels when I drive it. If you feel this way about your car, then technical specs really shouldn't mean s*** to you either.

 

[nautec]

I don't know what you guys are talking about my 6 is a beast. Hauls ass and great handling. Can't help feeling like i need to rally down the roads.

 

[ashutoshsm]

Not to mention all the babies in the thread are crying for mama over one stock dyno that's showing a reading lower than the norm so far. High 170s and very low 180s have been the norm. Other discussion fora have a larger sample space - someone go plot a scatterplot.

Oh - and SVTJayC - fortunately the block is NOT a Ford block - its a Cosworth/Porsche block. The most reliable block and engine in Ford's history. Go figure

 

[Brian MP5T]

I don't know what you guys are talking about my 6 is a beast. Hauls ass and great handling. Can't help feeling like i need to rally down the roads.

Exactly...Drive what you like. Enjoy it, If it feels great to you, good. The Numbers are not that important as long as your test drive before you buy it impresses you to the point that you decide that "this is my new car"

 

[Garfinkle]

Exactly...Drive what you like. Enjoy it, If it feels great to you, good. The Numbers are not that important as long as your test drive before you buy it impresses you to the point that you decide that "this is my new car"

Off topic but I have to ask, did you win the lottery recently or something? Either that or you must have one hell of a job to do all of that stuff to your P5. Not bad for a guy from a small town like pembroke!

 

[p5sundevil]

Personally if your going for all out power than the 6 is prob not your car, if you want a sweet compromise between power and handling then your set.

then again, you can always get the 2.3l and then give a little call over to Juan and be HiBoosted to your hearts content.

 

[SVTJayC]

Ashuto, Porsche designed the original block using a Cosworth process, which was shortended by Ford to fit in the Contour. It's a good lineage and makes for some interesting conversation, but it's not like Hanz and Franz from Porsche sat there and hand assembled them. It's a Ford block...I don't see too many 5.0 mustang owners complaining about their blocks, that have 2 and 300k miles on them. Don't be a sheep.

 

[ashutoshsm]

Its 'ashu'. Its in my danged signature!

And why are you regurgitating what I said, and still being offensive?? The Duratec block is 'almost always' good. The 5.0 block is not anywhere near as consistently good. Ford is onto a good thing with the Duratec block. No shame in having Mazda use the same for their cars. Its a 'good' thing.

 

[DieNadel]

I used to have an 88 Mustang 5.0 that had 287,000 miles on the original engine when I sold it, and that thing still runs like a champ. So I never look down on Ford blocks. If I can expect that out of my 6, then more power to them for using it. I totally agree with Ashu. (cool)

 

[SVTJayC]

Your words were "fortunately it's not a Ford block." Well it is a Ford block. Just like your Mazda 6 is a Ford. Assembled at the same plant, and by the same people that will be assembling the 2005 Mustang...it just doesnt get any more American than that.

 

[marashka]

ford(piss) or any other domestic car manufacturer for that matter. with its exceptional quality and greatest reliability record.

 

[p5sundevil]

this is another endless argument guys and I cant believe people still argue over it, every car is unique, i have seen 2jz blocks that are supposed to be indestructable blow at under 20psi and I have seen other stock blocks last forever under 25psi.

same with fords, I have seen so many bad mustangs go in for repair after repair and then I have my friends who have had their stangs problem free for 150k in mileage.

I am not saying all blocks are the same and blowing them is random, obviously there is a range in quality as with anything else, just have to decide where in that range your plans fit.