Mazda 3s vs. Scion tC
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rigs13 said:
From car and driver
The Mazda 3 is more clearly focused on the European marketwhere vehicle size and opulence do not automatically go hand in handthan it is on the American. There's a large market for opulently equipped hatchbacks across the Atlantic, and the new Ford-based Mazda fits nicely into that class with the Peugeot 307 and Alfa Romeo 147 and such
wow it says "Ford-based Mazda"
rigs13 said:
Car and Driver Magazine : Mazda 3 : January 2004
... There's a large market for opulently equipped hatchbacks across the Atlantic, and
the new Ford-based Mazda fits nicely into that class with the Peugeot 307 and ...
www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_ id=3&article_id=7566&page_number=2 - 31k - Cached - Similar pages
goldwing2000
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rigs13 said:
Hurt my "feel bads"? What the hell are someone's "feel bads"?
Yes, the car has Ford parts. That's to be expected since Ford holds 34% of Mazda shares. But it's not a Ford car, contrary to your opinion. And none of those Ford parts are made by lazy UAW workers with a permanent chip on their shoulder.
Ford does not have "effective control of Mazda" as you so riduculously put it. They have control of Auto Alliance in Flat Rock, not the whole corporation.
If you don't hate Mazda, then why would you call it an unreliable, unsatisfying, depreciating lemon? Seems kind of strange that your first posts on a Mazda board are negative comments about Mazdas.
Contrary to what you may believe, Ford has a big say in what Mazda does. If GM said something, Mazda would definitely not just brush it off. And the Mazda3 DOES use parts that are going to be used in the next Ford Focus. Does that make Mazda Ford? Not at all. Mazda is still it's own company. It doesn't ask Ford how to design it's own cars. Their designs are their own.
To say Mazda is Ford is really quite ridiculous. Their engineers speak completely different languages. No one says a Nissan is a Renault.
To say Mazda is Ford is really quite ridiculous. Their engineers speak completely different languages. No one says a Nissan is a Renault.
Hoeboe2k said:
Renault-Nissan B.V., the common strategic management structure of the Renault-Nissan group, was founded on March 28, 2002. Incorporated under Dutch law, Renault-Nissan B.V. is equally owned by Renault and Nissan. Renault-Nissan B.V. is the registered office of the Alliance Board.
Renault-Nissan B.V. solely owns and manages the existing joint companies, including Renault-Nissan Purchasing Organization (RNPO) and Renault-Nissan Information Services (RNIS).
The Alliance Board decides on the medium/long-term strategy of the Alliance and coordinates its worldwide activities.The operational management of Renault and Nissan remains the responsibility of each company.
The President of the Alliance Board is Renault's Chairman and CEO, Louis Schweitzer. The Board's Vice President is the President and CEO of Nissan, Carlos Ghosn. The other members of the Alliance Board are senior managers from Renault and Nissan.
goldwing2000 said:
I didnt say ford ownes mazda forbes mag did and its info you can find anywhere
Forbes' in-house automotive industry sage, Jerry Flint, recently commented that Ford Motor which owns Mazda, shouldn't utilize the 6 platform to build its own smaller sedan. His argument has more to do with economics and historic trends than with esthetics and performance, but I'm willing to bet that Ford could do a lot worse than to have a car this good with its own badge on the hood. For one thing, when was the last time you bent a Taurus into a curve and came out smiling?
For another, underneath the hood of the V-6 version of the Mazda 6 is a Ford block. The point is, it's already part Ford, so how much more would it cost to change the sheet metal?
see for your self at http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/13/cx_mf_0113test_3.html
badAzLava3
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Today's tidbit....
Le Mans 24 hour overall wins.
Mazda = 1
All other Japanese Manufacturers = 0
OTOH, Toyota makes good trucks...I own one.
Le Mans 24 hour overall wins.
Mazda = 1
All other Japanese Manufacturers = 0
OTOH, Toyota makes good trucks...I own one.
scarmiglio
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Speaking in terms of reliability, the Scion xA and xB have faired poorly. There's a rumor that Toyota rushed them to market. Of course, the issues are not related to major components (engine, brakes, tranny). To my knowledge, the Mazda 3 has many similar "quirks" as it's a new vehicle. The Protege is an extremely reliable vehicle and when the 3 gets its bugs worked out I'm sure it will be too. By the way, Ford may only own 34% of Mazda, but in Japan 34% is considered a controlling share. Ford tends to use a hands off approach with most of its subsidiaries (Austin Martin, Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda) so it's not fair to call the Mazda 3 a Ford. It would be different if we were discussing a Lincoln or a Mercury. Besides, the Chassis was built by Volvo (a good thing), the suspension was designed by Ford of Europe (a good thing) and the rest of the car is mostly all Mazda (a good thing) including the engine. The tC is obviously all Toyota and Toyota would rather start new car brands (Lexus, Scion) than buy existing ones.
Regardless, I didn't mean to open a can of worms, I was just curious if anyone was cross shopping the tC and the 3.
Regardless, I didn't mean to open a can of worms, I was just curious if anyone was cross shopping the tC and the 3.
scarmiglio said:
I've been researching the Mazda3 and the tC for the past month or so, and I think I'm going to go with the tC. The 3 seems to have a lot of quality issues that concern me. Also, the 3's resale value will be much lower when I sell the car in about 4 years for something better. The tC has a plethora of standard features, OK-styling, a proven engine, and LED turn signals on both the side mirrors AND the back. Alright, I'm easily amused...
Somebody in this thread called the tC ugly???
Oh, yeah, and the all-glass roof
scarmiglio
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How silly. There won't be any tCs on the road for another couple of weeks. Of course, if you're talking about the xA I would have to agree.04mazda3s said:
carperformance3
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the tC is a damn sexy car...but before making any final decisions i would wait for test results. but yes, very sexy, i've always had a soft spot for mazdas, but had the tC been released sooner, and if it has the right numbers it would've given my 3 a good run for my money
If I didn't have to haul stuff and especially my elderly parents, and I wanted to stick in that economy/price range, I would opt for the sleeker, coupe, bit louder, lighter TC. But economy, capability, needs dictated either the wonderfully equipped MZ3-5 or a mini-van(shudder). I'm saving money for another fun car since my deal to get an 87 BMW M6 fell through(very sad). it would have been the second one I owned. I'm going to hold out for a convertible (hopefully Mazdaspeed RX8).
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