Mazda 2.5T Engine internals vs non-turbo

N7turbo

2023 CX-5 2.5T ... 2024 MX-5 RF GT
Does anyone have knowledge or a source showing whether the internals (pistons, rods, etc) are any different in the turbo motor vs the NA motor? Generally you use stronger parts to support the turbo, but it's possible they streamlined production and kept them all the same. But you would think cost cutting would favor only using what's needed in the NA models.

Thanks.
 
this would indicate there is no difference in at least some parts. looks like somethings like valves could be different but crank looks the same and pistons etc. I know the tranny is different according to some of sinistriel@'s excellent posts.
 
Does anyone have knowledge or a source showing whether the internals (pistons, rods, etc) are any different in the turbo motor vs the NA motor? Generally you use stronger parts to support the turbo, but it's possible they streamlined production and kept them all the same. But you would think cost cutting would favor only using what's needed in the NA models.
Very little is shared between the 2.5t and NA engines, cylinder head is a very different casting, valves and cams are different, different valve springs and exhaust rocker, some timing components are the same like the actuators and timing chain/guides. Cylinder block is a different casting, crankshaft is stronger, rods are quite a bit thicker and stronger, pistons are a different design to handle boost, lower compression and run a bigger wrist pin.
 
Very little is shared between the 2.5t and NA engines, cylinder head is a very different casting, valves and cams are different, different valve springs and exhaust rocker, some timing components are the same like the actuators and timing chain/guides. Cylinder block is a different casting, crankshaft is stronger, rods are quite a bit thicker and stronger, pistons are a different design to handle boost, lower compression and run a bigger wrist pin.
was hoping you would comment. thanks
 
Very little is shared between the 2.5t and NA engines, cylinder head is a very different casting, valves and cams are different, different valve springs and exhaust rocker, some timing components are the same like the actuators and timing chain/guides. Cylinder block is a different casting, crankshaft is stronger, rods are quite a bit thicker and stronger, pistons are a different design to handle boost, lower compression and run a bigger wrist pin.
Great, thanks. What do you think is the weakest link in these motors when making more power, aside from the turbo itself? Based on the issues Mazda has had, I'm inclined to say the heads or the head gaskets, but maybe you have a different take.
 
Great, thanks. What do you think is the weakest link in these motors when making more power, aside from the turbo itself? Based on the issues Mazda has had, I'm inclined to say the heads or the head gaskets, but maybe you have a different take.
The cylinder head issue is a casting flaw vs an issue that will arise with more power. The bottom end is pretty stout and it has to be to be able to get the amount of torque we do at low rpm while lugging around something like a fully loaded CX-9 reliably. For a factory turbocharged engine the cams are pretty good and there is headroom there before that becomes an issue. Honestly the turbo and tuning software currently available are the biggest hinderance to making a fair amount more power. Mazdaedit is lacking some key tables that would make life much easier in that aspect. VFtuner keeps teasing Skyactiv support for the 2.5t and TCM control, both of those items will really help. Bigger turbos are in the works and that will help substantially as our turbo is just too small to keep moving enough air higher in the RPM range.
 
Great thread!

Does anyone know if heavier/more stout studs are used on the turbo motor for better clamping force on the head? Blown head gaskets are an issue in forced induction motors that don't have this upgrade.
 
Great thread!

Does anyone know if heavier/more stout studs are used on the turbo motor for better clamping force on the head? Blown head gaskets are an issue in forced induction motors that don't have this upgrade.
I would like to know as well. Maybe watch some teardown videos and see what can be gleaned.
 
I found this today.

  • High-strength, forged carbon steel has been adopted for weight reduction.
Screenshot for posterity:

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However from what I can find, the pistons are cast aluminum. They do get piston oil squirters in the turbo engine, though, aside from being a different design (bowled).
 
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I found this today.

  • High-strength, forged carbon steel has been adopted for weight reduction.
Screenshot for posterity:

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However from what I can find, the pistons are cast aluminum. They do get piston oil squirters in the turbo engine, though, aside from being a different design (bowled).
Yep, all Skyactiv rods are forged, with the exception of some of the 1.5 versions the crankshafts are also forged, all of the pistons are cast for the gas engines but are a very high quality piece.
 
Speaking of the 2.5T, there are several competitors to Mazda that use 2.0 liters to get nearly the same output. I kind of feel better about 2.5 vs. 2 liters making the same HP...is it just me???
 
Speaking of the 2.5T, there are several competitors to Mazda that use 2.0 liters to get nearly the same output. I kind of feel better about 2.5 vs. 2 liters making the same HP...is it just me???
I feel better from a durability standpoint. The narrower the cylinder, the worse cylinder wash gets as there is less room for the fuel to spread out from the fuel injector (in direct-injected engines). This causes more fuel dilution of the oil and a more uneven distribution of cylinder heat and pressure, both of which increase the risk of low-speed preignition.

The best way to prevent LSPI? Use oil certified to meet API SP specs, which (among other things) added an LSPI prevention test and caused oil companies to reformulate the oil additives to pass the updated tests.

The second thing is to use Top Tier fuel.

 
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