Maybe a blessing in disguise.

[three]

Made the mistake of taking my car to a local shop to get the underdrive pulleys installed and somehow they jacked a couple of my valves and one of the pistons up.

So does anybody know if the mazda 6 6-cylinder will bolt up to the 3 tranny being that they both have the same 4-cylinders or is the tranny completely different between the 4cyl and the 6cyl.

 

[eting_pro5]

Damn.....That's an optomistic attitude.


The Mazda6 has a 6-speed auto.....

...which could mean absolutely nothing.

 

[boostisgood]

I highly doubt it. BTW, how the hell did they screw up keeping your car in time ? Man I need to keep away from that shop.

 

[Gambino]

holy s***, that sucks. I dont really know the answer to this, but I wanna know, are they taking responsibility?

 

[three]

They arent paying for it in full because I put on the water pulley and the altenator but I couldnt do the crank without an impact so I took it to them. And I didnt plug the wire back to the altenator all the way and it wouldnt charge my battery up so it wouldnt crank when I got to the shop so they are saying that it was messed up when i got there.

They told me that they would give me whatever paycheck the dood had coming that worked on my car and soposedly he took the call himself and didnt run it through the shop he just made it seem like he did and was gonna pocket the money. People these days.

So hopefully I will be the first V-6 Mazda 3. Any information on the swap would be appreciated.

Does anybody know where I can get a good Mazda 6 6-cyl engine, ecu and tranny.

 

[BC3I]

Made the mistake of taking my car to a local shop to get the underdrive pulleys installed and somehow they jacked a couple of my valves and one of the pistons up.

So does anybody know if the mazda 6 6-cylinder will bolt up to the 3 tranny being that they both have the same 4-cylinders or is the tranny completely different between the 4cyl and the 6cyl.

ok ok ok wait just a min....how in the ^#*&^!)$&^ HELL did the jack up your PISTON and your VALVES?!?!?!?! u dont even go NEAR that when u install the pulleys...all you do is put the car on a lift..uninstall the stock pulleys..the reinstall the new ones.... umm please explain

 

[three]

I have no idea but they did. He suposedly installed the crank pulley the same exact way the stock pulley was and put the belt on and went to crank it and thats when i think that it got jacked up then he took the pulley back off started turning on the crank and it would only go so far i guess because the valve was hitting the piston. Then the guy took the spark plugs out and took the valve cover off and looks down in there and finds the valve touching the piston. Im confused too but the car was running perfectly fine when I drove it up there.

 

[three]

Are the valves from the 2.3L Focus the same ours. If so I can fix my problem for about 50 bucks.

 

[AzMz3]

You can easily damage the pistons and valves from a pulley install. You do know that that cam timing/timing chain is all aligned with the crank. There are 2 very simple tools that keep the timing in place for the install. There are also special instructions that need to be followed for a correct install. You need to replace the crank pulley bolt and make sure it is torque to spec.

I can see there being alot of damage from installing cams also if people don't pay attention to the right way to do them on the Duratec engine.

 

[MazdaBoi]

How does changing the Alternator, Power Steering Pump, and crank pulley have any effect on the timing chain?

The crank pulley is installed by one bolt and should have some sort of key way on it. It slides on the crank's shaft and sits in place. The crank has gears behind the timing cover and has a chain running from the crank's gears to the cam's gears. This keeps the engine in time. The cams should have a cam position sensor that tells the ECU when to spark the plugs.

Is there something I'm missing here?

 

[AzMz3]

How does changing the Alternator, Power Steering Pump, and crank pulley have any effect on the timing chain?

The crank pulley is installed by one bolt and should have some sort of key way on it. It slides on the crank's shaft and sits in place. The crank has gears behind the timing cover and has a chain running from the crank's gears to the cam's gears. This keeps the engine in time. The cams should have a cam position sensor that tells the ECU when to spark the plugs.

Is there something I'm missing here?

Yeah you are missing something.
The crank pulley is not keyed! And you need additional tools to hold the engine in time.
1. is a bar that fits behind the cams.
2. screws into the block and hols the crank

You can't just take the pulley off with an impact gun install the new one and go. Although there have been a few that did this and got away with it.

 

[9JordonFlex9]

haha...i would make the shop fix the problem and tell them to reduce ur payment by A LOT...for making you wait and all...they should know their way around the engine....morons

 

[three]

yeah see i tried to put the pulleys on myself and the only ones i could do was the alt and the water and my battery was dead because i used an electric impact and it wouldnt crank back up when i got the car to the shop so they are saying that it was F*)##$ up when i brought it to them and that i was just trying to find a way to make someone else to pay for the fix. Its cool though i took it apart and none of the valves or pistons are damaged and all it needs is a tow to the mazda dealership and timing. Shouldnt cost me more than 200.

 

[RHAGEL]

They arent paying for it in full because I put on the water pulley and the altenator but I couldnt do the crank without an impact so I took it to them. And I didnt plug the wire back to the altenator all the way and it wouldnt charge my battery up so it wouldnt crank when I got to the shop so they are saying that it was messed up when i got there.

They told me that they would give me whatever paycheck the dood had coming that worked on my car and soposedly he took the call himself and didnt run it through the shop he just made it seem like he did and was gonna pocket the money. People these days.

So hopefully I will be the first V-6 Mazda 3. Any information on the swap would be appreciated.

Does anybody know where I can get a good Mazda 6 6-cyl engine, ecu and tranny.

Its not worth it. Even if it does fit, you will need to spend mucho dinero to fabricate engine mounts and cutting and trimming it to fit. Not to mention that I doubt the tranny would fit. You would be better off getting a new 2.3 and a Hi-boost kit. Not to mention that the v-6 would be too heavy and your car would handle like s***. Sorry, but my opinion is don't even atempt, you will likely be in waaaaaaay over your head.

 

[three]

Yeah im going to stay with the same engine i was just exploring some ideas anyway that was before i pulled the head off and found out there was no dammage.

 

[MrTea]

as a 6 owner i can help a bit i think.

no, the tranny's are completely different between the 2.3 and the 3.0...not a chance bolting that up.

as far as the crank pulley, i ended up in almost the same boat. i test parts on my car for everyone...and one of those parts was a pulley used on the 2.3 focus. i had it installed at ford and it went fine. but ended up with valve issues on #1 as well as ring issues. problem being that the teeth for the cam sensor were just a hair off...but hairs add up really quick at 5k+ especially when boosting.

changing the pulley requires a screw to hold the pulley in place (M6 that screws through it into the block) when applying TQ. a set pin/screw that holds #1 at TDC. and a bracket that you mount (after romoving the valvecover) over the cams (they are notched and match with this tool) to hold them in place.

as stated, our crank pulley is not keyed in any way and it's not an easy job whatsoever. so i don't blame you for going to a shop, just sucks that the shop screwed you. you can get new valves really damn cheap, as long as your piston isn't screwed much it should cost too much actually. just installing the valves and then setting the timing.

 

[three]

yeah all the valves and pistons are fine now all i have to worry about is gettin it timed now. Thanks for the info MrTea. I gotta mx-3 that i have been using to get back and forth to work i guess when i get my three timed ill just do the swap to it because i just wanna do an engine swap to something.

 

[RHAGEL]

yeah all the valves and pistons are fine now all i have to worry about is gettin it timed now. Thanks for the info MrTea. I gotta mx-3 that i have been using to get back and forth to work i guess when i get my three timed ill just do the swap to it because i just wanna do an engine swap to something.

I don't think you can adjust the timing, it is completely electronically controlled. You would need an adjustable cam gear to be able to do that. AEM makes them, but I doubt you will find one for a 3.

 

[AzMz3]

I don't think you can adjust the timing, it is completely electronically controlled. You would need an adjustable cam gear to be able to do that. AEM makes them, but I doubt you will find one for a 3.

You can adjust timing. There are some advancing it and the turbo guys are retarding it...with out cam gears.

 

[three]

srry i meant timed as in back to stock specs anyway the dealership told me that all i need to do is get it timed and now that they have tore it down they told me it would be cheaper to get a new engine than to fix it. soposedly just about every single valve is jacked up and every piston is also jacked so im gettin a new engine. all in all if the place that screwed my engine in the first place would have taken just one more hour and timed my car after they installed the pulleys they wouldnt have to be forkin over 4500 for a new engine.