RallyeRedSi
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Earful said:
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Linux 3D Desktop (Vista can go to hell)
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jersey_emt
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Moeed said:
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CentOS is great for setting up a server quickly & easily.
Linux is okay. It can be good to use at home or a small office, but it can't compete with Windows in the corporate world. I prefer SuSe with KDE, but I'll go check out Ubunto as I know it's the new popular version amoung the dozens out there. As a working adult, the eye candy is worthless to me.
Driver support is a huge issue, as is all the messing around you have to do to get it running on an average pc. Until Linux gets to the point of Windows-like, very deep driver support, it won't be in common use. Grandma can buy any Windows software and hardware and get it working in a few minutes. That isn't possible yet with Linux, excluding a Dell preloaded with Red Hat or something like that. It also doesn't co-mingle very well in mixed environments, and it has nothing like Active Directory and setting global policies across thousands of desktops. So no, it IS NOT superior to Windows. I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but it's a very integrated OS that simply works. Linux and Mac also have security issues, but such a tiny presence in the world that the hackers go after Windows users. That's just where the money is.
Most of the thousands of free applications you mention aren't very good, and a lot of them are just crap. 80% of computer users are computer illiterate and don't care what OS they use. It should disappear into the background so they can use the applications they need. Without changing settings or spending a hour on the Internet trying to research and download some beta driver for their new USB scanner, which may or may not work. Joe Consumer doesn't want that learning curve because they aren't into computers, they just want to get their work done. That's why Linux isn't yet the powerhouse the zealots wish it was.
The Linux community is beginning to figure that out now, but by it's very nature, it will be a number of years yet before it evolves into an actual "system" and is commonly seen on local Best Buy shelves. And each new "flavor of the month" like Ubunto doesn't help. There needs to be a big consolidation to cut down on the flavors. And they all need to work together seamlessly, using the same major applications so every business can work with every other business. Right now, only Windows can do that, and Linux remains a cool toy to play with at home after you have your work done.
Driver support is a huge issue, as is all the messing around you have to do to get it running on an average pc. Until Linux gets to the point of Windows-like, very deep driver support, it won't be in common use. Grandma can buy any Windows software and hardware and get it working in a few minutes. That isn't possible yet with Linux, excluding a Dell preloaded with Red Hat or something like that. It also doesn't co-mingle very well in mixed environments, and it has nothing like Active Directory and setting global policies across thousands of desktops. So no, it IS NOT superior to Windows. I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but it's a very integrated OS that simply works. Linux and Mac also have security issues, but such a tiny presence in the world that the hackers go after Windows users. That's just where the money is.
Most of the thousands of free applications you mention aren't very good, and a lot of them are just crap. 80% of computer users are computer illiterate and don't care what OS they use. It should disappear into the background so they can use the applications they need. Without changing settings or spending a hour on the Internet trying to research and download some beta driver for their new USB scanner, which may or may not work. Joe Consumer doesn't want that learning curve because they aren't into computers, they just want to get their work done. That's why Linux isn't yet the powerhouse the zealots wish it was.
The Linux community is beginning to figure that out now, but by it's very nature, it will be a number of years yet before it evolves into an actual "system" and is commonly seen on local Best Buy shelves. And each new "flavor of the month" like Ubunto doesn't help. There needs to be a big consolidation to cut down on the flavors. And they all need to work together seamlessly, using the same major applications so every business can work with every other business. Right now, only Windows can do that, and Linux remains a cool toy to play with at home after you have your work done.
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altspace said:
not at all
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SciFiMan said:
The great thing about linux is customization, thats why there so many kinds of linux, and most of all them is free. ubuntu is very good with drivers, it reads my ipod, usb sticks, printer and more, the only drive ri had to download is my nvidia driver which took something lke a second because of aprogram called automatix. If you really need something all you have to do is go to synsaptic and search there for what you want, instead of going all over the internet.
Ubuntu linux out the box has OpenOffice.org which is just as good as MS office, it free (not a 65 day trial like office) and can read all office files. GtK pod is just as good as itunes i can even rip songs from an ipod. I've used windows for 10 years starting from win95 and i prefer using ubuntu, whenever i boot into windows is just to update all my spyware and antivirus prgrams or maybe play game sthat only work for windows.
If you use your computer you should know how to work it and not point and click everything.
And have fun with vista with all its DRMs
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the desktop stuff is really cool, i especially like the whole, 4 separate desktops you can flip to thing. Seems like it would really help clear up clutter. If i just download ubuntu can it do that?? You said you use some other stuff to, is that what gives you that ability??
-YellowMSP- said:
I really have to disagree here. Granted, I don't run MS Office myself, and I've run OpenOffice for years, but it would be daft to say that OpenOffice is even in the same ballpark as MS Office. Sure it's free and fast and gets the job done, but it doesn't have half the features that MS Office does.
Have you seen the directX for linux, btw? Last I checked you had to pay for it, but it was pretty impressive.
That post reminded me of a post I made ages ago...
Macs are like German automobiles: They look sweet, run fast, but are quickly obsoleted by the next model which is 100 times faster. The controls are a little bit different than the usual Japanese/American controls but nothing drastic. If one breaks, it will cost you an arm and a leg to fix...if it can be fixed at all. Don't buy an old one because they are very unreliable.
Then there is Linux, the classic hotrod of operating systems. In order to own one, you've got to know alot about it. Each one is unique and customized to your liking. You spend more time working on it than you do driving it but you love it regardless and don't mind this. If something breaks, you don't take it to a shop, instead you drop everything you are doing and fix it.
Finally we come to Windows, the Ford of operating systems. Everyone owns one or know someone who does so you are familiar with it. If something goes wrong, which will, there are plenty of people that know how to fix them and it is relatively cheap. Older Fords are very unreliable and extremly unsafe so it is best to own a new one. They aren't fast but they aren't slow either.
Not much has changed since I wrote that. The same still applies to Mac. Steve Jobs has tossed the G5 out the window in favor of the new Mac Intel machines. Linux is getting better but it is still a project to get things going and when you want to do something new, research on the internet is involved. Windows hasn't changed much. It is probably a little more stable than before but with Vista coming out all bets are off.
Macs are like German automobiles: They look sweet, run fast, but are quickly obsoleted by the next model which is 100 times faster. The controls are a little bit different than the usual Japanese/American controls but nothing drastic. If one breaks, it will cost you an arm and a leg to fix...if it can be fixed at all. Don't buy an old one because they are very unreliable.
Then there is Linux, the classic hotrod of operating systems. In order to own one, you've got to know alot about it. Each one is unique and customized to your liking. You spend more time working on it than you do driving it but you love it regardless and don't mind this. If something breaks, you don't take it to a shop, instead you drop everything you are doing and fix it.
Finally we come to Windows, the Ford of operating systems. Everyone owns one or know someone who does so you are familiar with it. If something goes wrong, which will, there are plenty of people that know how to fix them and it is relatively cheap. Older Fords are very unreliable and extremly unsafe so it is best to own a new one. They aren't fast but they aren't slow either.
Not much has changed since I wrote that. The same still applies to Mac. Steve Jobs has tossed the G5 out the window in favor of the new Mac Intel machines. Linux is getting better but it is still a project to get things going and when you want to do something new, research on the internet is involved. Windows hasn't changed much. It is probably a little more stable than before but with Vista coming out all bets are off.
-YellowMSP- said:
I have nothing aginast open source and I consider myself computer literate. But I could care less about Linux and all this other stuff because it seems like it's just tinkering for the sake of tinkering which is fine if thats you thing.
Me?
I like XP Pro. I find it stable, I find that it runs all my applications well. It has more than enough customization options for me and has all the support I could ever need. I do put together my own PC using parts that I select ymself and the help of friends but as long as my OS runs what I ask it too and it's stable, I'm happy!
Now being an XP user, I am aware of all the evil things out on the net that want to hack my system and mess up my PC. So I keep a well updated security set (all free downloads: Adaware, Windows Defender, AVG Anti-virus and Antispyware). But thats the price you pay for being the top dog.
As far as price: I paid $30 for my copy of XP PRO at a campus bookstore.
So while I think Linux is neat and all, I don't think its the great hope of future OS's.
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Kooldino said:
gets the job done for me, i think cedega offers the best gaming experienc efor linux users but im not willing to pay
