Leasing or Financing??

Stu C i dont get what your trying to say..all am saying is i dont see why u guys think its the wrong way to go..let me ask you guys a question, dont you get a total cost of the car when you leasing it..???
Before i signed my contract i had it worked out both ways leasing and financing and for all my reasons leasing worked out better for me with a cheaper rate and still gonna be able to buy the car the same way, as anyone financing..just remember the money am paying monthly still goes towards the car total cost...am not renting..i only have a few restrictions which i can definitely work with..i dont need to mod but just get in and drive..and am 38yrs old..
 
if you lease then finance what is your total cost you've spent on the car for the car when all is said and done? i'd imagine part of your lease payment is interest so rather than paying interest on the car for 4-5 years through normal financing you're paying interest on the car for 6+ years (3 year lease + whatever finance term, 3 or more years and probably at a higher rate given it's a used vehicle). even if the car itself doesn't end up costing you any extra you're paying more in interest and the total amount you paid for the car is higher than if you had just financed. if you lease then pay cash for the car at the end of the lease period then it's a more acceptable option but then you might as well have just financed or paid cash in the first place because your finance amount would have been that much lower
 
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if you lease then finance what is your total cost you've spent on the car for the car when all is said and done? i'd imagine part of your lease payment is interest so rather than paying interest on the car for 4-5 years through normal financing you're paying interest on the car for 6+ years (3 year lease + whatever finance term, 3 or more years and probably at a higher rate given it's a used vehicle). even if the car itself doesn't end up costing you any extra you're paying more in interest and the total amount you paid for the car is higher than if you had just financed. if you lease then pay cash for the car at the end of the lease period then it's a more acceptable option but then you might as well have just financed or paid cash in the first place because your finance amount would have been that much lower

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let's use your leasing as an example:

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$400/month for 36 months with a $2k down payment.

that means in 36 months, you will have paid $400*36 + $2,000 = $16,400.

after that much time, let's say that you want to buy the car to keep it...since your car cost $24,500, you're going to need to be able to buy it for $24,500 - $16,400 = $8,100 in order to have paid exactly $24,500 overall. now, i'm seeing about $12,700 for a buyout on a regular mazda3 hatch, so i'm assuming a ms3 would cost even more than that. assuming the $12,700 buyback, that means that leasing cost you a total of $12,700-$8,100 = $4,600 over the base price of the car. it is very unlikely that financing would have cost nearly as much. this is all that us "naysayers" are saying...leasing is generally the more expensive option because of this.
 
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let's use your leasing as an example:

assume

$400/month for 36 months with a $2k down payment.

that means in 36 months, you will have paid $400*36 + $2,000 = $16,400.

after that much time, let's say that you want to buy the car to keep it...since your car cost $24,500, you're going to need to be able to buy it for $24,500 - $16,400 = $8,100 in order to have paid exactly $24,500 overall. now, i'm seeing about $12,700 for a buyout on a regular mazda3 hatch, so i'm assuming a ms3 would cost even more than that. assuming the $12,700 buyback, that means that leasing cost you a total of $12,700-$8,100 = $4,600 over the base price of the car. it is very unlikely that financing would have cost nearly as much. this is all that us "naysayers" are saying...leasing is generally the more expensive option because of this.


Don't forget the hidden costs as well... most lease agreements include a "lease termination fee" which is due at lease-end (check the fine print on the back of the form you signed) and can add several hundred dollars more to the total lease cost basis... Leases used to be good for those who swapped cars often as long as you took good care of the car and didn't exceed the mileage allotment... but this was back when you were still able to deduct the interest paid on the lease from your U.S. Federal Tax Schedules... that perk was phased out in the late '80's IIRC along with your Credit Card interest deductions...

and never, ever assume a lease that will exceed the manufacturer's new-car warranty period (i.e. a 48mo lease on an MS3 w/ 36mo bumper to bumper) because there could be nothing worse than to have to pay out-of-pocket for some big repair bill on someone else's car... (I used to work w/ a guy who had to put a new transmission in a leased Grand Cherokee... to the tune of $2,000.00+... ouch!)

on the other hand, in some instances you may actually benefit from a lease that gives you the option to buy the car for its residual value at lease end... when you lease a car you are, in all intents and purposes, paying the anticipated depreciation on the vehilce for that period with the stated mileage... if at lease end you find that the rare and unique car that you leased happens to be worth more than the residual, by all means buy the car and sell or trade it for a profit!
 
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if at lease end you find that the rare and unique car that you leased happens to be worth more than the residual, by all means buy the car and sell or trade it for a profit!

and you never know, that may very well be the case with the speed3 considering they are (or were) only making 5000 in the US.....

does anyone know if that's still the case?

A friend of mine leased the 20th Anniv. GTI in 2003 and a year later the dealer was sending him mail offering to buy the car back from him......he ended up buying the car at the end of the lease.....

it may happen to all the speed3 lease-ers....lease-ees, however you say it...the dealer may realize they goofed in letting you drive off the lot with a lease and get you to sell it back to them...but don't do it!

(drive)
 
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and you never know, that may very well be the case with the speed3 considering they are (or were) only making 5000 in the US.....
(rofl) it's a mazda. a good mazda but come on, let's be serious

A friend of mine leased the 20th Anniv. GTI in 2003 and a year later the dealer was sending him mail offering to buy the car back from him......he ended up buying the car at the end of the lease.....
those are marketing schemes to get you to spend more money on a new car. "buying the car back" = trading it in. they'll let you do that with pretty much any car. they want to buy it back from you in exchange for you taking a huge depreciation hit and financing another new vehicle. i'm pretty sure my mom got letters saying the same thing for her GMC Envoy. i can guarantee they aren't in high demand

it may happen to all the speed3 lease-ers....lease-ees, however you say it...the dealer may realize they goofed in letting you drive off the lot with a lease and get you to sell it back to them...but don't do it!
dealers aren't stupid, they've been in the game for a long time. don't believe a word they say
 
(rofl) it's a mazda. a good mazda but come on, let's be serious


those are marketing schemes to get you to spend more money on a new car. "buying the car back" = trading it in. they'll let you do that with pretty much any car. they want to buy it back from you in exchange for you taking a huge depreciation hit and financing another new vehicle. i'm pretty sure my mom got letters saying the same thing for her GMC Envoy. i can guarantee they aren't in high demand


dealers aren't stupid, they've been in the game for a long time. don't believe a word they say



Well, it was just a thought.....
 
Well thats what my sales rep told me..they only making 5000...3300 sport and 1700 gt's..
anyway u guys are getting this post bent out of shape..
i was only asking a simple question and say what worked out best for me between leasing and financing..
I dont think anyone is paying under 250.00 a month on the speed 3 for under 60 months..unless there down payment was a big amount..
i know some got lucky and got it for under my total lease contract of 24,500.00 and all am saying is that financing at the end of my 3yr contract i would have paid off 16,400.00 leaving my an option weither to trade or buy out..you guys figure out the rest..if i was gonna finance my payments would have been more monthly with the 2000.00 i put down..
my lease restrictions are fine for me..i dont drive 12000 miles a year so am cool..hopefully no accidents and am straight and if so i have full coverage insurance..and if i wanna trade for another hot mazda ride am cool as well this is my second new car in 5 years..who know if i might keep it right now am enjoying it like you guys are and am sure if something else hot like the speed3 comes out 2years from now you guys would be looking to jump on it..but you locked in ur financing contract..or ur bank loans..loll.

whats the longest terms some of you speed3ers have????Rate terms..
 
if you're happy with your decision then that's all that matters. i just know i'll be happy in 2.5 years when i don't have a car payment and after that i'm going to try my damndest not to finance a car ever again. having a certain amount of your monthly income spent before you even make it sucks, as does paying interest, and both should be avoided as much as possible, even if it means driving a slower, older car
 
well im leasing too.i was going to buy the ms3 GT for 470 a month with 3k downpayment,so my Dad told me to think about it .Iwent to see the G35 Sedan S and for that kind of car im paying 500 for 42 months with 15k miles a years,i think o got a good deal!!
 
I think of it on semi-different terms.

Do you want to get a new car of your choice every few years, but don't mind having payments without owning a car and the car has to remain stock and have limiited mileage? Then lease.

Do you want a particular car and want to own it and do whatever you want to it? Then buy. That's how I look at it. I knew this woman who didn't really care about owning or modifying a car, but just wanted a nice new car every few years. She leased a BMW or Lexus or something like that every three years. And loved it. She was a stay at home mom and never had to worry about mileage. For long trips, she drove or road in her husband's car.

I want to own a car and do what I want to it.
 
This is an age old debate, like "tastes great!" / "less filling!". It all depends on the situation. Sometimes it's a poor choice by people living beyond their means and other times it may not be such a poor choice.

Not many people these days keep cars for 15 years. If you drive 12-15k miles a year, there comes a point where it just becomes a hassle and in some cases dangerous to run a vehicle into the ground before buying something new. In addition to that, it's the American Way to buy a new car every 3-4 years, especially if you're a car enthusiast who doesn't just consider their vehicle a means to get from point A to point B. We buy them as luxuries/status symbols. We enjoy a new car because it makes us feel good. They're not investments, unless you're a lucky one who kept that '65 Mustang in prestine condition. Very few vehicles sold today will ever become "classics" like the models of the 50's and 60's, especially foreign cars.

That said, there are benefits to leasing 'certain' vehicles at certain times. Not all vehicles are good lease deals. If you lease cars that have higher residuals, like Hondas, Acuras, BMW's, Lexus's, etc... you can get alot of car for very little out of pocket expense and an affordable monthly payment, especially if they're running incentives on a model that isn't selling well. If you lease cars that have crappy resale value, like VW's, Hyundai's and just about any domestic, you're going to pay through the teeth and not have anything to show for it. Sure, we'd all love to walk into a dealer and buy a car cash out of pocket, but the majority of people live from paycheck to paycheck and think in terms of how much money per month they can spend. I'm not saying this is "smart", but this is the way it is.

Another thing is, not everyone wants to take that kind of money and put it into something that is just going to depreciate. This is all about which way is going to lose me LESS money over a period of time. Heck, I have the money in the bank to go buy a 3 cash out of pocket right now, but do I want to do that? Is there something else I can use that money for to make me money in the long run? Upgrades to my house, downpayment on a property (the market is great for buying right now!), money market account, stocks/bonds, feed my IRA, etc... Do you really want to tie that kind of money into something you are not going to get a return off of when you can lease, always have a nice new car and not have to worry about putting huge amounts of cash down on a vehicle to do so.

I think we've established that the most financially-smart way to go would be to buy cash out of pocket, pay no interest, and run the car into the dirt, be it 10, 15, 20 years. Who knows? But, lets compare buying a $25,000 car cash out of pocket and keeping it for 4 years, vs. leasing the same car with very little money down and putting most of that $25,000 into a money market account at 4.5%. We'll assume no sales tax or title/tags to make it easier, .0025 money factor (6% interest), 54% residual (This is more like a 4-year Honda residual) and $1,000 out of pocket for acquisition fee and security deposit (which you should get back!). Normally you have to pay first month's payment with a lease also, but I won't include that. Monthly payment is $335.83. Over the course of a 48 month lease, this is $16,119.84 and you're paying $4,620 in interest over that 4 years.

Now lets go to the person that forked over $25,000 cash on the same car. He keeps the car for 4 years, drives the exact same amount of mileage and now decides he wants something new. Ok, does he sell privately or does he trade it in? He knows that he can probably get more money if he sells privately, but at the same time he's gotta wait for that certain someone to come along and want to buy the car. If he trades in, he's going to take a hit on the "profits" (and I use that term loosely), but he can get it over with and be in and out with a new car the same day. Decisions decisions.... I know for me, when I get a bug up my rearend to go buy a new car, I don't want to deal with potential buyers pussy-footing around and holding up my purchase. That's just the impatience in me and I know I'm not alone. So lets assume he trades up. If the car Blue Book's for around $13,500, you know the dealer is only going to give about $11,000, if that. Nowaday's dealers like to give you "auction value" because if it doesn't sell on their lot, they send it to auction. Assuming the car trades for $11,000, he lost $14,000 over 4 years of ownership, so he's roughly $2,000 ahead of the game and has $11,000 out of the original $25,000 to use on another vehicle.

The other guy who leased that same car put that money in a money market at 4.5% and it's worth $29,920. Roughly $30,000-16,000=$14,000>$11,000.

There are so many variables though, as you can say that the guy who bought cash out of pocket can now save his $335 a month that he's not spending on a lease payment and have $16,000 in the bank after 4 years to add to his $11,000 he gets for the trade and come out ahead. Of course that takes financial discepline, which most of us lack.

The moral is you will, in most cases, lose less money over your lifetime purchasing vehicles, rather than leasing because much like renting an apartment, you are paying someone else to use their property and make a profit and will have nothing in return when all is said and done.
 
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There are so many variables though, as you can say that the guy who bought cash out of pocket can now save his $335 a month that he's not spending on a lease payment and have $16,000 in the bank after 4 years to add to his $11,000 he gets for the trade and come out ahead. Of course that takes financial discepline, which most of us lack.
there are many variables. i'd like to see it over a 6 year term where the person who purchased the vehicle keeps the same vehicle and the leaser goes through 2 leases. 6 years is short enough that the purchased vehicle should still be fairly reliable and new looking. the purchaser would come out on top i would think

plus having that $335 extra per month, even if not put into a savings account, gives you more flexibility in the way you live because you can elect to save that money, buy a tv, go on vacation, anything, whereas with the lease you have to put that money towards your car
 
Leasing or Fleecing is the worse way to go about getting a car, period. Especially if you want to buy it at the end of the contract. That is financially stupid.

Its not just the surcharge for miles in excess of the contract terms, its wear and tear charges and the dealer defines what constitutes wear and tear damage.


You're wrong. In my case when they had an amazing deal in july of 06 on the Speed 6, I got it for $269 a month for 24 months $2500 due at signing but $3500 cash back, and car selling for below invoice.

I paid the lease off in full on first payment, and have a lump payment of $15k to keep the car this July. All in all, I put about 9000 down with no financing during the 24 months, and didn't have to make a single car payment for 2 years, and in the end I will have gotten this car for $24000 OTD when it comes time to refinance. It worked out better then buying it. Not all leases are bad, it just depends.
 
See this is what am saying,you go for the deals that works out best for you when leasing..plus u always get the option of buying ..its not that your throwing your money away..i have a good lease program right now and its working out in my favor..the restrictions doesn't affect me..thats what really comes into play..
 
If you know what you're doing a lease it can be beneficial. Like everyone said it basically boils down to if you plan on getting a new car every few years, or keeping yours until it falls apart. Also if you mant to modify it or not, etc. Theres alot of variables and I think the best thing someone could do is read up on the pros and cons of both on the internet and make a decision for themselves. In a few years when my MS3 is paid off I plan on selling it and leasing a BMW. I will probably lease from now on the rest of my life because that is what will work for me.

Also I think I read somewhere the average American keeps their current car for like 2-3 years... something to think about.
 
financially wise people?

In the last 15 years I have had 10+ cars all with monthly payments that range from 200-400 per month and I have never been "upside down".

They include

Silverado, Cougar, WRX, BMW z4, BMW M3, STI, F250 7.3, MS3

I find that leasing works the best for me because while I like to drive hard, I like new toys as well.

Is it fiscal? Well out of all the cars I only ever kept one long enough to buy it (WRX) and the equity in it allowed me to get some pretty insane monthly payments over the next several years of leasing. 215 per month on a 56,000 ride was pretty sweet. I even got equity out of the next 2 trade ins. My last was as close to even as I have ever been. In 3 years I will again be able to get into another 50k ride for around 300 a month.

Financially responsible is a subjective term. My neighbor drives a beater that he has owned for years. He has no car payments because he pays cash for used cars. On the flip side he is always working on them, has oil spots in the driveway etc. His wife also invests heavily in their house. They have designer this and that drapes, and decorations. The majority of which add no material value to the home.

He thinks im silly because my wife and I always drive nice cars. Except on days where he asks me for a ride. (yes)

I have a %$#! eating grin on my face every day from the drive to work. For me, thats priceless.
 
Ok cosmic spd3 were did you get your car from the dealer on the island because i got mine in westchester and they would not lease the car to me so i called up all the speed dealers in the area with were few they all told me no. good for you though wish i barely drove my car had it less than a year got 14,000 mile on it. but to plus is i can do anyhing i want to it because it will be mine one day maybe 3 years from know LOL
 
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