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everyone on this thread needs to go get drunk or get laid or both....and relax 
Jut Got E-mail Fom INJEN - CAI for MSP Finally out !!!
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unwrittenLaw said:everyone on this thread needs to go get drunk or get laid or both....and relax
Exactly! And; drinking some of the fine Beer from Stone Brewery of North County San Diego would be a good start!
A nice 22oz. bottle of Arrogant Bastard Ale (7.2 abv) - ain't no bad thing.
Dark Ringleader
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I could use a good lay
So let me ask this.....when you do a MBC and the intake the studdering should go away completely, because with the MBC you are making the engine put out more fuel which should cause it to not run as rich.....and with the intake because of increased air flow..
All I want to know is...if I do Intake and MBC, I will no longer have teh studder...right?
All I want to know is...if I do Intake and MBC, I will no longer have teh studder...right?
twiztedjeckel
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i think you have to see a specialist for the studdering problem. i had a friend who saw one, he got rid of that and his lisp all in one shot. KA BAM!!!!!
I replied once already, but don't see it up here- wtf?AZSpeed said:
Anyway, the stutter/hesitation will not go away with boost because the car has a rising rate fuel pressure regulator that increases fuel pressure with boost, so it remains overly rich even with the added air flow. The K&N/intake mods help a bit because you are adding more air flow at the same psi.
I am working on an inexpensive mechanical fix for this and perfworks and I are both working on an electronic way of tuning the car.. I'll keep you posted on both setups..
Joe
TampaBlackMSP
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Already posted this in the 'for sale' post, but just got an email from Ray, and he said he needs one more person for 10 - the minimum number needed for the $250 shipped price...c'mon guys!! He said he's waiting until the end of next week to place the order, so there is still time...
Just passing on the info - and patiently waiting for the goods!
Just passing on the info - and patiently waiting for the goods!
BremertonMSP
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kwiktsi said:
My CAI and K&N didn't do anything for the mid rpm stumble my car has always had
kwiktsi said:
Do tell! What equiment are you using to access the maps.
BremertonMSP said:
My CAI and K&N didn't do anything for the mid rpm stumble my car has always had
Do tell! What equiment are you using to access the maps.
OK, my original post (which never showed up!!!) said that the increased air flow may help some people, when I re-wrote it, I quickly just typed helps a little..
Since the car is just dumping a preset amount of fuel, it doesn't seem to be adjusting for climate changes so some people will see improvements and others won't depending on climate/temp due to the fuel always being constant.
My mechanical setup is simple and will probaly be like a $15-$20 kit at the most- possibly less- it is mostly the time for me to gather the parts and package it that you are paying for over the parts
.. The setup perfworks is working on is yet to be determined price wise and we will both fill you in on how it works when it is complete. We have to run some tests on my car then toss in a beta unit and I will test it accordingly. Still have a little R&D ahead, but shouldn't be too much longer.Joe
im going to add a little to this thread. hopefully i wont get flamed at but i can take dont worry!
( i have had my fare share)
anyway, $300 -320 whatever. some people dont have that kind of money to lay out for a cool noise coming from the spoolin of a turbo compressor wheel. But if you guys want it go for it.
i will only post my opinion. CAI on this particular vehicle will in no way show the gains posted by this thread. if any thing expect maybe 5hp of top on a cold day.
sorry guys but the manifold is too restrictive before and after the throttle body and this CAI will not help you any more than an upgraded muffler.
now in regards to spooling effect on the turbo. i have alot of different thoughts on this but i will not get into it here.
A/F ratio , it will NOT lean out anything.there isnt enough increase in density at any given rpm (especially up high) that will cause an "air leak" (in lamen terms) to adjust A/F ratio. considering the density of the intake charge will be taken into acount +or- 20% by the stock ecu.
also your stumbling will not be taken out of the loop by "changing" the intake piping.
the msp has several issues and the most relevant right now happens to be the overabundance of fuel in the entire rpm band. nevermind the fact that your ignition timing is just as aggressive as the P5 when over 6.9 psi of boost pressure .
anyway to all do what you may. injen makes a great product but dont get all hyped about "fixing" or increasing perfromance like it claims.
now joe mentions some upcoming products. joe is one of the most knowledgable people i know which i speak with very regularly. we are working together on many projects. this work will benefit the MSP and P5/dx community.
we are in the process of going thru various schematics and ecu pinout drawings. thru this we will come out with a solution to ALL the MSP problems. PERIOD.
no one else has the time to it and do it right but we will.
all of the products we will market will be available ONLY thru joe's website.
he will be the first MSP to undergo the transformation to SUPERMSP in stock form (oh come on a little humor)
anyway what i mean is joes msp will be the basis of our testing and incorporate one of our modules that will make the stock system as efficient as possible and make maximum power. period. we will see the limits of the stock set up because it has alot of potential the way it is. just needs a little tuning
( i have had my fare share)anyway, $300 -320 whatever. some people dont have that kind of money to lay out for a cool noise coming from the spoolin of a turbo compressor wheel. But if you guys want it go for it.
i will only post my opinion. CAI on this particular vehicle will in no way show the gains posted by this thread. if any thing expect maybe 5hp of top on a cold day.
sorry guys but the manifold is too restrictive before and after the throttle body and this CAI will not help you any more than an upgraded muffler.
now in regards to spooling effect on the turbo. i have alot of different thoughts on this but i will not get into it here.
A/F ratio , it will NOT lean out anything.there isnt enough increase in density at any given rpm (especially up high) that will cause an "air leak" (in lamen terms) to adjust A/F ratio. considering the density of the intake charge will be taken into acount +or- 20% by the stock ecu.
also your stumbling will not be taken out of the loop by "changing" the intake piping.
the msp has several issues and the most relevant right now happens to be the overabundance of fuel in the entire rpm band. nevermind the fact that your ignition timing is just as aggressive as the P5 when over 6.9 psi of boost pressure .
anyway to all do what you may. injen makes a great product but dont get all hyped about "fixing" or increasing perfromance like it claims.
now joe mentions some upcoming products. joe is one of the most knowledgable people i know which i speak with very regularly. we are working together on many projects. this work will benefit the MSP and P5/dx community.
we are in the process of going thru various schematics and ecu pinout drawings. thru this we will come out with a solution to ALL the MSP problems. PERIOD.
no one else has the time to it and do it right but we will.
all of the products we will market will be available ONLY thru joe's website.
he will be the first MSP to undergo the transformation to SUPERMSP in stock form (oh come on a little humor)
anyway what i mean is joes msp will be the basis of our testing and incorporate one of our modules that will make the stock system as efficient as possible and make maximum power. period. we will see the limits of the stock set up because it has alot of potential the way it is. just needs a little tuning
Good post perf...I didn't want to quote the whole thing so there were just a few things I wanted to address:
1) the only reasons that we are assuming aforementioned performance increases with the injen intake is the data that is provided. Dyno numbers do lie at times, but that's not all that we have to work with. The opinions and experiences of the two members on this board that have said intake (along with others that have seen it/experienced it in those cars) are reliable from what we have seen. If it's proven not to be as such when I recieve mine, then I'll rip out that bs flag so fast my turbo will spool (from inside the house!) If their results tranlate to my vehicle admirably, however, then I'll move right to the front of the bandwagon. Hell...I'll even go and dyno my car to show differences (if I can afford that...) for those who won't trust anything else!
2) I'm and so glad that someone is addressing the major issues that our car has at this point, because Mazda is dragging their feet. The stuff you guys are working on shows lots of promise (from the secrective talk about it). However, if your pieces blow my warranty out the window, then I can't afford to buy them. Maybe that makes me the diet coke of tuners...tuner lite, say. But it's just that way. What ever the case is, I wish you guys the best of luck...I may buy some of that stuff anyway, for after the warranty period!
1) the only reasons that we are assuming aforementioned performance increases with the injen intake is the data that is provided. Dyno numbers do lie at times, but that's not all that we have to work with. The opinions and experiences of the two members on this board that have said intake (along with others that have seen it/experienced it in those cars) are reliable from what we have seen. If it's proven not to be as such when I recieve mine, then I'll rip out that bs flag so fast my turbo will spool (from inside the house!) If their results tranlate to my vehicle admirably, however, then I'll move right to the front of the bandwagon. Hell...I'll even go and dyno my car to show differences (if I can afford that...) for those who won't trust anything else!
2) I'm and so glad that someone is addressing the major issues that our car has at this point, because Mazda is dragging their feet. The stuff you guys are working on shows lots of promise (from the secrective talk about it). However, if your pieces blow my warranty out the window, then I can't afford to buy them. Maybe that makes me the diet coke of tuners...tuner lite, say. But it's just that way. What ever the case is, I wish you guys the best of luck...I may buy some of that stuff anyway, for after the warranty period!
Now we're getting somewhere with this discussion. I suspect those of us buying the Injen intake all have a different set of reasons for doing so. I'm trying to be somewhat realistic about the whole thing taking into consideration all the valuable discussion on this thread and others. I'm just glad that people that have more experience than me are actually out there trying to maximize the performance of our cars. Good luck and let us know what you learn. All appropriate props will be given...
Peace...(hippy)
Peace...(hippy)
Damn it!
Hey Joe keep us posted. I want to buy some of your other mods to go with my supa-fine-kung-fu-grip-JoeyBoeey-MBC.
kwiktsi said:
OK, my original post (which never showed up!!!) said that the increased air flow may help some people, when I re-wrote it, I quickly just typed helps a little..
Since the car is just dumping a preset amount of fuel, it doesn't seem to be adjusting for climate changes so some people will see improvements and others won't depending on climate/temp due to the fuel always being constant.
My mechanical setup is simple and will probaly be like a $15-$20 kit at the most- possibly less- it is mostly the time for me to gather the parts and package it that you are paying for over the parts
Joe
Hey Joe keep us posted. I want to buy some of your other mods to go with my supa-fine-kung-fu-grip-JoeyBoeey-MBC.
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- 2015 BMW 335i Sedan / 2015 Nissan Pathfinder Platinum 4WD
this is great news...keep up the good work...
