Joe P Fpr And Injen Intake....cams? Flywheel??

[OrangeSpeed]

Ive dont searches but i cant find the post where someone had a picture of where they put the FPR with their injen intake which i just ordered today......also im looking for opinons from anyone who has the fsze cams or the fidanza flywheel on their cars and how it felt afterwords and all.... Thanks i just dont want to order the FPR for nothing.

 

[t3ase]

Its a bit too early for MSP owners to start swapping out cams. You may find a P5 or Protege owner who did it though.. I remember someone with a thread about it a while back.

As far as the flywheel goes, I've heard it's good and bad for our cars. It basically came down to it's good for now but it's bad in the long run with our setup; I don't remember exactly why though.

I'd just drill into the Injen intake piping somewhere.. I don't think it really matters honestly. Just as long as it's in there and the valves are pointed the right way..

 

[Chris@Spool]

As far as the flywheel goes, I've heard it's good and bad for our cars. It basically came down to it's good for now but it's bad in the long run with our setup; I don't remember exactly why though.

A lighter flywheel will effect engine rev speed, which inturn will effect how fast your car spools up (lighter flywheel = faster spool up).

However, on the negative side if you have an aftermarket bov vented to the atmosphere you will be more prone to stalling when letting off the throttle and pressing in the clutch (after a high rev).

-Chris

 

[t3ase]

That could be very true but there was another problem mentioned in addition to the one Chris brought up. I'll see if I can wade through the old posts and find something for ya..

 

[t3ase]

Nevermind, I was thinking about an Unorthodox Pulley.

 

[505zoom]

Just use a screw or drill bit that is quite a bit smaller than the elbow. Poke a hole in that strap, then push the elbow through the strap (angled side in). Make sure to point the elbow away from the MAF like the pic.

 

[jred321]

i wouldn't switch to ze cams as they're designed for a high compression n/a motor, not a turbo motor

 

[1sty]

A lighter flywheel will effect engine rev speed, which inturn will effect how fast your car spools up (lighter flywheel = faster spool up).

However, on the negative side if you have an aftermarket bov vented to the atmosphere you will be more prone to stalling when letting off the throttle and pressing in the clutch (after a high rev).

-Chris

Would a recirculating valve cuase the same thing?

 

[funnylittlman]

OrangeSpeed,

there is a guy on here named eatbmw or something like that. He has the Mazdaspeed cams & or the FSZE. Ask him how he's doing.

And about the flywheel, I already thought ours was lightened to 7 lbs? I heard that changing to the fidanza doesn't do much since ours is already reduced.

 

[jred321]

i really doubt ours is lightened (or at least lightened much), i used to have a 9lb fidanza on my pgt and it revved really really quick. our rev is real slow compared to that.

 

[Chris@Spool]

Would a recirculating valve cuase the same thing?

No, the reason atmospheric bov's cause this problem is because when they "blow off" they are letting out a lot of "unmetered" air. Basically the air isn't reading through the Mass air flow sensor. Because of this sudden loss of air the ecu tries to make up for it and this is what causes your car to stall (the flywheel just worsenes this situation). However, with a recirculated set-up the air being let out by the bov is being routed back through the mafs.

-Chris

 

[OrangeAppeal]

And about the flywheel, I already thought ours was lightened to 7 lbs? I heard that changing to the fidanza doesn't do much since ours is already reduced.

Flywheel is not lightened (not enough to make a difference anyway)...if there was a 7 lb flywheel in the MSP stock, there would be a huge drivability issue (have you ever driven a standard with a 7 lb flywheel)...the average driver would stall it regularly for the first week at least (until he/she learned how to drive it)...you would have a hard time launching smoothly with that flywheel at low rpms. I think the average driver wouldn't want to go any lighter than 12 lbs.

Not to mention that you would want to be sure that the flywheel is properly/safely lightened....if not, you could encounter a flywheel shattering on you, which could be very dangerous (especially if it happens at high rpms)....I would install a scattershield for your tranny if you decide to do that.

Lastly...from what everyone else says, protege trannys aren't meant for racing....soo, a lightened flywheel would probably lead to premature wear on the tranny.

I'm sure there are others out there who disagree with me, but this is just my personal opinion (along with a few facts).

Peace,
Jesse

 

[YuYuRena]

About cams

this is what I found from the performance section of this forum take from twilightprotege on camshaft specs:

Stock Cams :::

Intake
Lift 0.341"
Duration 198 @ 0.050"

Exhaust
Lift 0.323"
Duration 200 @ 0.050"

Sport20 (FSZE) :::

Intake
Lift 0.344"
Duration 210 @ 0.050"

link here: http://www.mazdamp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27380

anyway, with a turbo, you don't want too much overlap in valve timing, cuz the boost your turbo is creating is helping to push intake into the cylinder and if your exhaust valve is open at the same time, your intake might just go out the tailpipe with the exhaust. The turbo helps volumetric efficiency and doing what in N/A motor with valve timing are doing (i.e. VTEC, VVTi). However, lift is another story. Lift is always good, but too much lift and you can run into other problems. If you want better flow into the cylinder, I would worry about heads and intake/exhaust plumbing first before worrying about cams.

 

[funnylittlman]

Flywheel is not lightened (not enough to make a difference anyway)...if there was a 7 lb flywheel in the MSP stock, there would be a huge drivability issue (have you ever driven a standard with a 7 lb flywheel)...the average driver would stall it regularly for the first week at least (until he/she learned how to drive it)...you would have a hard time launching smoothly with that flywheel at low rpms. I think the average driver wouldn't want to go any lighter than 12 lbs.

Not to mention that you would want to be sure that the flywheel is properly/safely lightened....if not, you could encounter a flywheel shattering on you, which could be very dangerous (especially if it happens at high rpms)....I would install a scattershield for your tranny if you decide to do that.

Lastly...from what everyone else says, protege trannys aren't meant for racing....soo, a lightened flywheel would probably lead to premature wear on the tranny.

I'm sure there are others out there who disagree with me, but this is just my personal opinion (along with a few facts).

Peace,
Jesse

My Bad Jesse,

On the advertisement before the Speed came out it said "Lightened Flywheel"

So That's where I got it. The 7 lbs, well that was what the dealer telling me.

 

[OrangeAppeal]

My Bad Jesse,

On the advertisement before the Speed came out it said "Lightened Flywheel"

So That's where I got it. The 7 lbs, well that was what the dealer telling me.

the dealers like to tell stories

I went to a VW dealership one time and my girlfriend test drove the Wolfsberg Jetta...before we got in the car she asked about the suspension and said:
"soo is the suspension any better than a regular Jetta?"
dealer: "what do you mean?"
g/f: "does it have stiffer springs and sway bars?"
dealer: "oh....no it doesn't....but after you drive it you'll realize it doesn't need any swaybars"
me:

I don't know...but If I were selling cars, I would at least know what I was selling or try to find someone to answer the question...you know, instead of telling someone that a car that handles like it's on rails has no sway bars!

 

[funnylittlman]

They probably were thinking it had some type of futuristic magnatization system which "stablizes" the car by the use of powerful magnest which attract to the metal in the road (rofl)

 

[suttonschinook]

Hey All, I'm running the Mazdaspeed cams in my MSP. I haven't had a chance to get it to the dyno so I have no clue if I have gained or lost HP. I will say that it feels like I lost a little bit of low end power but I have noticed some gains at higher RPM's, esspecially (spl?) after 5000 RPM's. I hope this helps. Evan

 

[1sty]

No, the reason atmospheric bov's cause this problem is because when they "blow off" they are letting out a lot of "unmetered" air. Basically the air isn't reading through the Mass air flow sensor. Because of this sudden loss of air the ecu tries to make up for it and this is what causes your car to stall (the flywheel just worsenes this situation). However, with a recirculated set-up the air being let out by the bov is being routed back through the mafs.

-Chris

Chris, what if the re-circulating valve lets the air back in after the MAF? So it never goes thorugh again, but just back into the intake track?