is the Double exhaust worth it?
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Zakknafein
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ok i understand what you're saying Black. I don't want a "bomb" and i define a Bomb as a 250HP car that does a 5.6 . My plan is to Mod my car, protege are sick when they're mod but i don;t want a good looking car that can't even race a civic. That's my point.
mazdaspeedwerx
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dont listen to them. they are just bitter. to mod any car cost alot of money. it just so happens to mod a protege cost twice as much. I just look at it like a challenge. something that must be overcome like some evil bastard child. thats the only thing that keeps me going. or you can have it the easy way and buy a damn civic
Zakknafein
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Also, where could I get good deals on these mods, like that turbo you said?
Zakknafein
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F*** civic
Black_Protege_5
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you have a manual right. Just turbo and don't go past 8psi. Do a good exhaust and don't listen to that guy, I can tell you whats available, and do a FMIC. You will be passing up NA civcs easily. But to convert to a speed you will need much more than just turbo. Suspension is completely different and the msp has an LSD which is not much to say. Body kit is also a little different. Talk to a guy named laserpro. Real good guy and did a pro to msp conversion and he can tell you the cost. He did everything possible minus turbo.
Black_Protege_5
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lol. I am not being bitter. haha. I just don't want him to think its going to be easy.
buy a stock mazdaspeed turbo setup for less then $1000 cdn then buy a dsm air fuel controller and beat any stock civic. Then if you wanna go faster spend a bit more on mods like a catless 3" exhaust and a 626 intake manifold and you have a high 13 second car on street tires with pump gas.
Think about it like this, most civics swap either a b16a or a gsr motor to go decently fast. You are paying a third to a half (depending on how nice you want your setup) of what they paid to run mid to low 14s and you will hand their asses to them. Around here a gsr motor swap runs 3.5-4gs or so canadian installed. Your turbo setup will be much less then that if you want similar results.
My buddy has a 93 civic hatch with a jdm type-r motor, dc sport header, exhaust, aem cai and a hondata chip. He went to the track several times and would run 13.7-13.9 I caught up to him with less then a G put into my mazdaspeed. Pretty sure he was over 10gs once he had everything installed and tuned in his car.(type-r tranny, aftermarket axles and lsd aint cheap) So why did you wanna get a honda lol
Think about it like this, most civics swap either a b16a or a gsr motor to go decently fast. You are paying a third to a half (depending on how nice you want your setup) of what they paid to run mid to low 14s and you will hand their asses to them. Around here a gsr motor swap runs 3.5-4gs or so canadian installed. Your turbo setup will be much less then that if you want similar results.
My buddy has a 93 civic hatch with a jdm type-r motor, dc sport header, exhaust, aem cai and a hondata chip. He went to the track several times and would run 13.7-13.9 I caught up to him with less then a G put into my mazdaspeed. Pretty sure he was over 10gs once he had everything installed and tuned in his car.(type-r tranny, aftermarket axles and lsd aint cheap) So why did you wanna get a honda lol
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mazdaspeedwerx said:
lol Im not bitter - I bought this car knowing what I was getting into
Im just tryin to help this guy out so he doesnt think that putting a "double exhaust" and an intake is going to have him beating half teh cars on the road, or even give him a huge gain for that matter...
Zakknafein
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ok awesome man, thx alot. where can i find that guy you're talking about...i'm new man remember?
Zakknafein said:
first I recommend finding GOOD resources and learn as much as you can possibly stand about how engines work and how to mod CORRECTLY.
also, while doing your research, do not listen to your friend... if hes telling you to get a dual exhaust for an I4, hes probably not going to be much help.
installing a turbo kit (even the one on the mazdaspeed protege) isnt like installing an intake. its VERY involving. Without the knowledge to isntall, or the friends with said knowledge to install, you are ultimately going to be lost.
If youre still in HS or college and have access to your schools autoshop, I recommend going there and talking to the teacher. He would be a huge help in directing you to great sources of info that is not only interesting to read, but will help you with your vehicle.
Zakknafein, listen what the poeple here say dude.. they know better than some nutwing who thinks dual exaust will give you power.. it was somewhat true back in the days where push rod v8 and big carbs roam the earth..
if you put on a cold air intake on that thing you MIGHT be able to follow civics.. if you put a turbocharger you'll take off fast enough and have enough power to let go the gas and wait for them to get beside you and floor it again and lose them.. it's that simple..
gawd.. the only thing a dual exaust will do is ADD weight.. which is enemy #1 to performance..
mine is at 7 psi and it's freaking hilarious to drive.. i can only imagine what 10 + psi would do..
good thing i still got my zx-9 to blast of like a rocket..
Fr0st
if you put on a cold air intake on that thing you MIGHT be able to follow civics.. if you put a turbocharger you'll take off fast enough and have enough power to let go the gas and wait for them to get beside you and floor it again and lose them.. it's that simple..
gawd.. the only thing a dual exaust will do is ADD weight.. which is enemy #1 to performance..
mine is at 7 psi and it's freaking hilarious to drive.. i can only imagine what 10 + psi would do..
good thing i still got my zx-9 to blast of like a rocket..
Fr0st
Black_Protege_5
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Haha I remember my autoshop teacher knowing nothing. I think he was also a dance teacher. That tells you about my old high school. I knew more than he did.
Zakknafein
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cool thx alot guys
Zakknafein
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So if i got to the mazdadealer, you think he'll give me advice on that?
Black_Protege_5
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Noo no mazda dealer. There is more info on this site then you will ever get from them.
Zakknafein said:
first of all, the dealer don't know s*** about turbocharging a car.. they know a 323 GTX exists and a mazdaspeed has a turbo but thats it..
ok, there are SOME exeptions.. some know what boost is but none can give you pointers how to boost a NA protege..
