Is 300 Hp Possible With Msp ???

[Ryan]

ND4MSP

Don't get me wrong I love my Mazdaspeed. I just think you took our feedback way outta context. We are not saying the Mazdaspeed sucks or dising the guy on trying to make his MSP run at 300hp. I was just saying the STI is one of the best car to get if you had around $30,000. Its the biggest "Bang" for your buck...just like the MSP. We already had this debate on another thread...talking about, "The best $30,000 car."

The STi is super rare! It is also limited production, even less units then the MSP becasue they are hand built. Even though it looks like a WRX with better performance...umm just like the MSP. To tell you the truth I'm super happy with my MSP! I am a big rally fan too! Im not dising on MSP or anything...sorry if I got you pisssed.

hrm.. rare... there are 4 if not 5 of them running around knoxville, tn... cant be all that rare. lol... and the evo has been rated over the sti time and time agian... over and over agian... im sorry but i gotta say this.. the evo is a boost controller away from blistering the sti on every level. the only thing the sti has on the evo is straight line and that aint by much.

 

[boostisgood]

ND4MSP

Don't get me wrong I love my Mazdaspeed. I just think you took our feedback way outta context. We are not saying the Mazdaspeed sucks or dising the guy on trying to make his MSP run at 300hp. I was just saying the STI is one of the best car to get if you had around $30,000. Its the biggest "Bang" for your buck...just like the MSP. We already had this debate on another thread...talking about, "The best $30,000 car."

The STi is super rare! It is also limited production, even less units then the MSP becasue they are hand built. Even though it looks like a WRX with better performance...umm just like the MSP. To tell you the truth I'm super happy with my MSP! I am a big rally fan too! Im not dising on MSP or anything...sorry if I got you pisssed.

Whoooahhh, the STI is a rare car ? its hand built ? I see about 3 a day on my way to work, and about 15 at the last IREV I was at.

 

[ND4MSP]

that dealer must kick ass. They did their homework on the speed.

 

[Ryan]

that dealer must kick ass. They did their homework on the speed.

the dealer didn't do it....

someone on this forum used to own it did all of that.. then wrecked it repaired it somewhat and traded it in.

if this is the same car im thinking it is...

its on sale on ebay right now claiming to be evo sti killer.

 

[ND4MSP]

I know you aren't dissing spacemonkey. This just happened to be the time I had that opinion rattling around in my head. It was more of a small rant than anything.

 

[brennan]

that the same one thats on sale on ebay claims 280 to the wheels evo and sti killer etc etc etc thats been totalled and all the rest.

No that is in the states I live in canada, this dealer car isn't for sale the dealer owns it.

 

[low_psi]

Well, If I decide to go forged, the turob upgrade I will be getting will BOLT directly to the factory mani. It is good for 400 whp, AND its not larger then a t-3 but bigger then a t-25.

It is a VERY VERY rare turbo, found mainly in pairs on Corvettes, and is a full cartrige Garret Japan bearing turbo.

Can you guess what turbo, or what vettes it on ?

i thought only T28's would bolt up to T25 mani's since only the compressor diameter has been changed. you're not going to use the disco potato are you?

what boost do you plan on running to get 230-240whp with those mods and what kind of EMS as well as fuel injectors do you plan to use?

i'm shooting for 200whp as my Stage I, assuming I can save enough for a downpayment on a MSP this summer. I figure a turboback and a K&N drop in can net close to this goal. I'm going to try to stay SCCA legal, so a new IC and more boost is out of the question for atleast a year I'll need money for tires anyways.

 

[Pkay]

what blows my ******* mind is people acting like engine management is the point where they're ready to quit with the car


This is one of VERY few cars where a power FC isnt needed EARLY on in modding your car. ******* RX7..... get near 50hp over stock.... get ready to buy a power FC or get your ECU professionally reporgrammed. Go any farther..... get ready for a rebuild or street/racing port.

Going over what the engine is designed for requires such steps. Our car has gone 50-70 hp over stock with very MINOR engine management neccessities.

Can an MSP go over 300hp? Of course. Will you have to drop $3k+ in engine management over that time? Yup. Not such a big deal when you discover you've doubled the horsepower it's putting out.


The s*** you'd have to do to get it to go 150hp over stock is the same if not less than that of most cars and comes a bit later in your cars life.

PS: on a side note I'd venture to say an MSP that dynos above 235hp has a good chance of taking an sti. **** the magazines, I've raced quite a few of them and past 60mph those cars suck. My rx7's compression is garbage and dynos under 240 right now and I've absolutely destroyed 3 sti's this past summer. Of course 390 torque doesnt hurt

 

[boostisgood]

Ok Ok, Ill let you guys off the hook. Its the same t-28 used on the 1100 whp Ligenfelter Corvettes. It uses, if I rememer corectly, a t-04 compresser wheel. at 18 PSI it is good for 400 whp.

Take that t-3 and t3/t4 hybrids.

As far as engine mgt, that will not be needed until I decide where m going with this car. If I want to go about 230-240 whp, Ill be going stand alone.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

dude, with 3 grand you can get a 3" turboback(iON), fmic and engine management. tune the car yourself and you save grips of cash.

you can also do a turbo upgrade by changing out the wheels in the turbo to the t3 compressor... instant t28. others that might bolt up are the HKS GT2835, HKS GT2530, HKS GT3037 and JWT 650. if i'm not mistaken, these all have the t25 flange.

even msrp+3k in mods is cheaper than an sti or evo. look, thats $24000, i'de rather do that than pay $30000 for a car. right now at this stage in my life, it seems like a better idea. maybe later when i get more settled i'll buy a hella fast car.

 

[low_psi]

Ok Ok, Ill let you guys off the hook. Its the same t-28 used on the 1100 whp Ligenfelter Corvettes. It uses, if I rememer corectly, a t-04 compresser wheel. at 18 PSI it is good for 400 whp.

Take that t-3 and t3/t4 hybrids.

As far as engine mgt, that will not be needed until I decide where m going with this car. If I want to go about 230-240 whp, Ill be going stand alone.

nice, since my friend has a sr20notchtop in his 240sx, i've become interested in how much of an upgrade a T28 would prove. do you have an compressor map by chance? i have yet to find one online.

best of luck, i can't wait to see how the project goes.

 

[markmurray77]

No that is in the states I live in canada, this dealer car isn't for sale the dealer owns it.

Hey is that the one Kevin from ES has been working on? If so good work.

 

[perfworks]

what blows my ******* mind is people acting like engine management is the point where they're ready to quit with the car


This is one of VERY few cars where a power FC isnt needed EARLY on in modding your car. ******* RX7..... get near 50hp over stock.... get ready to buy a power FC or get your ECU professionally reporgrammed. Go any farther..... get ready for a rebuild or street/racing port.

Going over what the engine is designed for requires such steps. Our car has gone 50-70 hp over stock with very MINOR engine management neccessities.

Can an MSP go over 300hp? Of course. Will you have to drop $3k+ in engine management over that time? Yup. Not such a big deal when you discover you've doubled the horsepower it's putting out.




The s*** you'd have to do to get it to go 150hp over stock is the same if not less than that of most cars and comes a bit later in your cars life.

PS: on a side note I'd venture to say an MSP that dynos above 235hp has a good chance of taking an sti. **** the magazines, I've raced quite a few of them and past 60mph those cars suck. My rx7's compression is garbage and dynos under 240 right now and I've absolutely destroyed 3 sti's this past summer. Of course 390 torque doesnt hurt

You will learn very quickly that 300WHP is not that easily produced from this engine stock. Engine management or not. It IS possible, but not easy. If you go full standalone you'll be fine.
One of the reasons you are able tokeep up to it is for two things. Weight and the fact it is tuned DOWN for the street for emmision reasons.
You can tap into the ECU on the sti for relatively 400$and make it a screamer. The only ones you'll catch up to is a bone stock one. And that isnt easy.
But let me say again like i said earlier. The MSP is a great car for the money. If it had a little stronger internals then it would be the hardest car on the street to beat. I dont care if you had AWD or not. The protege just needs Forged internals and it will fly like an airplane.
Trust me.

 

[Pkay]

You will learn very quickly that 300WHP is not that easily produced from this engine stock. Engine management or not. It IS possible, but not easy. If you go full standalone you'll be fine.
One of the reasons you are able tokeep up to it is for two things. Weight and the fact it is tuned DOWN for the street for emmision reasons.
You can tap into the ECU on the sti for relatively 400$and make it a screamer. The only ones you'll catch up to is a bone stock one. And that isnt easy.
But let me say again like i said earlier. The MSP is a great car for the money. If it had a little stronger internals then it would be the hardest car on the street to beat. I dont care if you had AWD or not. The protege just needs Forged internals and it will fly like an airplane.
Trust me.

Oh I'm well aware what the MSP could do, infact thats what I'm saying. It seems like a lot of people here don't understand neccessary steps to make any car THAT far over stock. I'm perfectly aware as my rx7 is on its way and I'm going through what most other car owners that put a lot into their car go through...... if you wanna get your car 100+ hp over stock you have to make sure your engine can handle it.

on a side note after spending 8 hours this weekend putting in a new turbo on the 7 I'm trying to figure how to get the stock 7 turbo on my msp

can you say msp TT? lol dunno how but one day it shall happen god damnit!

 

[*SpLiT*]

i'd actually prefer the Evo8 jus because you can get a 301 hp version, i dunno where tho, haha, plus it has the traction control that can make the car one wheel drive when your hitting hard turns. CRAZY, i have a video of TopGear where they compaired the two...

 

[*SpLiT*]

hey what's the diff between a stand-alone fuel management system and a normal one?

 

[low_psi]

a fuel management system will only let you adjust the amount of fuel, whereas a full engine management system will aloow both fuel and ignition timing changes as well as other options(fans etc). a full EMS is the only way to go on the MSP when upping the boost, a FMU will just not cut it.

 

[perfworks]

a fuel management system will only let you adjust the amount of fuel, whereas a full engine management system will aloow both fuel and ignition timing changes as well as other options(fans etc). a full EMS is the only way to go on the MSP when upping the boost, a FMU will just not cut it.

yup

 

[EvilMSP]

I know this has been mentioned here and there but I never saya clear answer. Is there a full engine management system available for our car?

Does it have to be made specially for our car or are there universal ones?

 

[srtchick]

Well don't forget joep's mazdaspeed, he dyno'ed at like 263hp at the wheels.......

(woowoo)