Intercooler

[Aaron@JSC]

How many of those cars came from the factory with a well designed TMIC?
There are other reasons for race teams to go with FMIC over TMIC, such as better access to the motor in a hurry, for starters.
You can't compare a dedicated track car to a boulevard bomber.

better access to the engine bay? I don't buy it. Go pull any sport compact car magazine off the shelf and find a performance street car that is running an upgraded TMIC over a FMIC conversion.

For everyday driving on a mostly stock car a big TMIC is a great upgrade, but FMIC is the way to go if you want to make big power.

 

[ericrapp]

Flow

better access to the engine bay? I don't buy it. Go pull any sport compact car magazine off the shelf and find a performance street car that is running an upgraded TMIC over a FMIC conversion.

For everyday driving on a mostly stock car a big TMIC is a great upgrade, but FMIC is the way to go if you want to make big power.

Intercoolers' flow and ability to dissipate heat and or cool the charge air is the key to a performance unit. Not necessarily size. design also seems to play a role in performance. I really cannot drag with my top mount. The waiting in between runs allows engine bay temperatures to effect the intercooler. My car is a bit modded now and I feel my TMIC is up to the task as a performance road car.

 

[wisniaPl]

When is that TRZ tmic supposed to come out? It's been quite a while since I've heard anything.

how long we have to wait??

 

[Mid_Life_Crisis]

Go pull any sport compact car magazine off the shelf and find a performance street car that is running an upgraded TMIC over a FMIC conversion.

As I asked, how many of those cars came from the factory with a well designed TMIC to start with?

 

[Aaron@JSC]

As I asked, how many of those cars came from the factory with a well designed TMIC to start with?

Define well designed.

The Subaru WRX/STi can make very good power up to about 300whp with the stock or upgraded TMIC. However if you want more than that, its well known that FMIC conversion is necessary.

JSC Speed purchased our shop STi running a TD06-18g/EWG setup on the stock STi intercooler. It was a quick car but the first thing we did to it was swap out IC for a Perrin front mount. Along with a rotated Garrett 35R turbo setup we are expecting 500whp.

Bigger is not always better, but a properly tuned FMIC will support more power than a well designed TMIC in almost any application.

When my stock TMIC is hot to the touch after 2 dyno runs, I am reluctant to spend $500-$700 on a slightly bigger TMIC that is still right on top of the motor when a few more bills can get you a FMIC. Then again, I in no way expect to keep the turbo stock on this car.

 

[ResilientMike]

Define well designed.

The Subaru WRX/STi can make very good power up to about 300whp with the stock or upgraded TMIC. However if you want more than that, its well known that FMIC conversion is necessary.

JSC Speed purchased our shop STi running a TD06-18g/EWG setup on the stock STi intercooler. It was a quick car but the first thing we did to it was swap out IC for a Perrin front mount. Along with a rotated Garrett 35R turbo setup we are expecting 500whp.

Bigger is not always better, but a properly tuned FMIC will support more power than a well designed TMIC in almost any application.

When my stock TMIC is hot to the touch after 2 dyno runs, I am reluctant to spend $500-$700 on a slightly bigger TMIC that is still right on top of the motor when a few more bills can get you a FMIC. Then again, I in no way expect to keep the turbo stock on this car.

I agree. When I went in for my baseline dyno a couple weeks ago (I have the video on YouTube) after the first dyno run with 2 fans running (1 on the IC and the Radiator) the FMIC was hot.

I won't argue that an upgraded TMIC would be a good upgrade, but you have 2 heatsoaking issues already with the stock one: from the ambient hot air in the bay, and the engine sitting directly under the IC before it enters the engine.

My sponsors are going to be test fitting a new FMIC kit to my car and will probably be very close to the range of the upgraded TMIC price with some of the best performance out there. (Sorry to thread jack but I'm pretty excited!).

Still, I think if you know what you want, definitely go with an upgraded TMIC and piping!

 

[wisniaPl]

I agree. When I went in for my baseline dyno a couple weeks ago (I have the video on YouTube) after the first dyno run with 2 fans running (1 on the IC and the Radiator) the FMIC was hot.

I won't argue that an upgraded TMIC would be a good upgrade, but you have 2 heatsoaking issues already with the stock one: from the ambient hot air in the bay, and the engine sitting directly under the IC before it enters the engine.

My sponsors are going to be test fitting a new FMIC kit to my car and will probably be very close to the range of the upgraded TMIC price with some of the best performance out there. (Sorry to thread jack but I'm pretty excited!).

Still, I think if you know what you want, definitely go with an upgraded TMIC and piping!

waiting for numbers and new product

 

[ericrapp]

As I asked, how many of those cars came from the factory with a well designed TMIC to start with?

Sure as heck not ours. Nice try though, Mazda. Just to mention though my cool side is always cool when I come to a stop. It is only if I am parked does it warm up and start to heat soak. Mine functions as it should with increased boost ( naturally ) and spirited driving. The opening of the exhaust has brought temperatures down also.

 

[ericrapp]

Mike that is great that your sponsors are helping with IC! Definitely a worth while upgrade.

 

[ResilientMike]

Thanks! I'm really excited in promoting this as well once we get the dynos and fitting/final product done. Just from other responses on other FMIC's it is probably one of the best upgrades for the money.

 

[ccann26]

I still think my TMIC was a waste of money . The motor mount however was a great mod .

 

[SwampAss]

Are you getting a good seal on the rear pipe? My first one gave me fits and wouldn't seal properly. It felt no different powerwise until I got it resealed.

 

[jlocurto]

Thanks! I'm really excited in promoting this as well once we get the dynos and fitting/final product done. Just from other responses on other FMIC's it is probably one of the best upgrades for the money.

how do you get a sponorship?

 

[ResilientMike]

how do you get a sponorship?

I've been doing film editing for their company for years. Once I got the MS3, they decided that they wanted to fabricate parts for this car. I happened to be the one who asked about it and they concurred

(Back on topic) And yes, I would check the seals on either pipe ends.

 

[wisniaPl]

I've been doing film editing for their company for years. Once I got the MS3, they decided that they wanted to fabricate parts for this car. I happened to be the one who asked about it and they concurred

(Back on topic) And yes, I would check the seals on either pipe ends.

how to chcek them ,how they should look?

 

[techniciana]

just do yourself a favor and get the front mount kit.i know the speeds have a ram air type system to cool the intercooler off,but still,it's on top of the engine compartment where it is the hottest(hot air rises,cool air descends).it takes time to install,but i guarantee you will pick up alot,and your air intake temperature will be signifigantly lower!

 

[ericrapp]

Swamp, are you speaking of the rear of the intercooler's piping? The hot side I suppose. And in theory you may be speaking of someone who upgraded their top mount Intercooler?

 

[ericrapp]

One of the reasons the front mount ic products are often seen on car build ups, is that they can be universal and or mass produced for many applications, hence less expensive and very effective imo

 

[SPEEDYHANS]

N-e-one Has A Pic Of The Turboxs Front Maunt

 

[MS3077]

If a FMIC is so much better I wonder why Mazda opted for a TMIC?