Inception, the movie

[tunersteve]

I never noticed the ring either. I know they mention that each person has a totem, and now that you say it, using his wifes totem would violate his rule, meaning that it wasn't truly his method for checking.

 

[McBadass]

is the ring maybe a wedding ring? because if he wore it the whole movie and then takes it off at the end it could symbolize that he is past his wife finally.... just a thought

 

[TWISFM]

he never listened to any of his own rules

 

[JCell]

what the **** just happened to the threads! lol

is this a dream?

 

[JCell]

alright a question has popped in.

they used the machine to hook the up to the sedative and join together in the dream, right?

why did they need a machine when going deeper and deeper? isnt it simply an imaginary machine?

 

[Spiced MSP]

I just came back from seeing this movie and after reading this thread, I could write a novel on this movie but I just say simply...great movie. The end tripped me out a little but everyone in this thread has made a couple of good points about the end and also the whole "totem" thing. and now I want to see it again so I can catch on to the little things that I missed. Overall, great movie though

 

[TWISFM]

why was the thread merged?

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

why was the thread merged?

LOL

I thought I was the only one TRIPPIN! (uhm)

 

[dishe]

In terms of the last dream being shortest, that was the limbo dream. That was an indefinite time frame, which just happened to be short for Leo, not for the other CEO (forget his name), which they allude to right at the beginning. The "kick" that they kept showing once they got into the third layer was so scattered, it was hard to really grasp how much time each "action" took in each level. The van falling was barely shown for any length of time, and was slowed down, so it's hard to say. The elevator kick wasn't as bad, because he was able to complete it without distraction, but without gravity.

I will agree that the movie was great to watch- the cinematics were outstanding (the weightless fight in the hotel was outstanding), and the plot assumed a level of intelligence by the viewer that is so rare in Hollywood these days!

But there were a few glaring problems with the concepts that really made it hard for me to suspend my belief (I know, I know, everyone hates "that guy", but I guess that's who I am)...

First of all, the concept of the time difference between levels only makes sense in the first level. They illustrated rather well that your brain imagines events faster while you sleep than they can occur in real time- For example, you can remember having what felt like an hour long conversation with someone even if you were asleep for only 5 minutes.
This is because when you dream, you only dream about the concepts, not the details. The details aren't important- such as how long it takes to walk across the street. The only thing that matters is that you walked. So you think about walking, and then suddenly you're on the other side. If anything happened along the way, your brain took a moment to fire that thought off as well, but clearly the events will transpire at the rate of your thoughts instead of in real-time.
Now, what happens if you have a "dream within a dream"? If such a thing were in fact possible, the next layer WOULD NOT MOVE ANY FASTER than the previous layer, because you are ALREADY in the state in which things move as fast as your thoughts! All three layers should have moved at the same pace, all of which being faster than reality.

If anything, it should have gone SLOWER, because your brain is now processing the next layer, while still also thinking a little bit in the previous one (as evidenced by the projections of his subconscious still being around to fight in the previous level- if all his brainpower went into the next level, and he essentially puts the current level "on hold", there should not have been anyone fighting against the Van driver or attacking in the hotel!

My next problem was the concept of being "kicked" out of Limbo. How is it that the girl and the heir were able to leave limbo by jumping off a building? That seems rather easy to do, doesn't it? Why all the fuss about being "trapped" in limbo forever if all you need is to jump off a building??

Then there's the gravity shift in the hotel thing. In your dream, when you feel gravity changing, falling, etc, you feel it in your dream, just like you hear music, sense cold/hot, etc and it appears and effects what you dream about.
However, the "whole dream world" doesn't shift to one side or the other. You just feel like you fell. The water in the guy's glass shouldn't have shifted- he should have fallen over inexplicably, while the room stayed the same way.
The world around you didn't shift- you did. So, when they were all "floating" in the hotel, the rest of the hotel (elevator, etc) should have been regular gravity, however all the subjects would just randomly be falling for no apparent reason.
Besides, IF they had lost gravity in that dream world, why was there gravity in the next layer? And WHY DIDN'T LOSING GRAVITY (which was caused by their sense of falling) wake up the one guy who wasn't in the next layer?
For whatever reason, I'm glad it didn't because it would have avoided the greatest sequence in the movie (weightless fight scene was astounding!).

Don't get me wrong, still a great movie, but sometimes you see something in a movie that makes you go "huh? that's doesn't really work like THAT!" and it kind of ruins it. *sigh*

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

My next problem was the concept of being "kicked" out of Limbo. How is it that the girl and the heir were able to leave limbo by jumping off a building? That seems rather easy to do, doesn't it? Why all the fuss about being "trapped" in limbo forever if all you need is to jump off a building??

Leo and the girl went into Limbo through the "sleeping(?)" Machine. The heir dude died, but that had one chance to revive him with those jolts; which had to be timed right with him falling/jolted.

 

[McBadass]

I will agree that the movie was great to watch- the cinematics were outstanding (the weightless fight in the hotel was outstanding), and the plot assumed a level of intelligence by the viewer that is so rare in Hollywood these days!

But there were a few glaring problems with the concepts that really made it hard for me to suspend my belief (I know, I know, everyone hates "that guy", but I guess that's who I am)...

First of all, the concept of the time difference between levels only makes sense in the first level. They illustrated rather well that your brain imagines events faster while you sleep than they can occur in real time- For example, you can remember having what felt like an hour long conversation with someone even if you were asleep for only 5 minutes.
This is because when you dream, you only dream about the concepts, not the details. The details aren't important- such as how long it takes to walk across the street. The only thing that matters is that you walked. So you think about walking, and then suddenly you're on the other side. If anything happened along the way, your brain took a moment to fire that thought off as well, but clearly the events will transpire at the rate of your thoughts instead of in real-time.
Now, what happens if you have a "dream within a dream"? If such a thing were in fact possible, the next layer WOULD NOT MOVE ANY FASTER than the previous layer, because you are ALREADY in the state in which things move as fast as your thoughts! All three layers should have moved at the same pace, all of which being faster than reality.

If anything, it should have gone SLOWER, because your brain is now processing the next layer, while still also thinking a little bit in the previous one (as evidenced by the projections of his subconscious still being around to fight in the previous level- if all his brainpower went into the next level, and he essentially puts the current level "on hold", there should not have been anyone fighting against the Van driver or attacking in the hotel!

My next problem was the concept of being "kicked" out of Limbo. How is it that the girl and the heir were able to leave limbo by jumping off a building? That seems rather easy to do, doesn't it? Why all the fuss about being "trapped" in limbo forever if all you need is to jump off a building??

Then there's the gravity shift in the hotel thing. In your dream, when you feel gravity changing, falling, etc, you feel it in your dream, just like you hear music, sense cold/hot, etc and it appears and effects what you dream about.
However, the "whole dream world" doesn't shift to one side or the other. You just feel like you fell. The water in the guy's glass shouldn't have shifted- he should have fallen over inexplicably, while the room stayed the same way.
The world around you didn't shift- you did. So, when they were all "floating" in the hotel, the rest of the hotel (elevator, etc) should have been regular gravity, however all the subjects would just randomly be falling for no apparent reason.
Besides, IF they had lost gravity in that dream world, why was there gravity in the next layer? And WHY DIDN'T LOSING GRAVITY (which was caused by their sense of falling) wake up the one guy who wasn't in the next layer?
For whatever reason, I'm glad it didn't because it would have avoided the greatest sequence in the movie (weightless fight scene was astounding!).

Don't get me wrong, still a great movie, but sometimes you see something in a movie that makes you go "huh? that's doesn't really work like THAT!" and it kind of ruins it. *sigh*

This makes sense to me... except it wouldnt make a good movie haha. Hollywood can do whatever the hell they want and to most it makes relative sense

 

[dishe]

Leo and the girl went into Limbo through the "sleeping(?)" Machine. The heir dude died, but that had one chance to revive him with those jolts; which had to be timed right with him falling/jolted.

Ah, you've got a point there. They went into his "death" dream, he needed a jolt to wake up, but they didn't. So I guess we're left with no idea how the last two got out at the end, if they actually did... which lends more credence to the "he didn't actually make it" claim.

This makes sense to me... except it wouldnt make a good movie haha. Hollywood can do whatever the hell they want and to most it makes relative sense

Right. There are dumb movies all the time. But they usually don't warrant a discussion like this afterwards. I hold a production such as this to a higher standard.

But my suggestions wouldn't have ruined the movie- come on, picture this- when they tip, instead of the water in his glass tipping, and then the weightlessness of the whole world, wouldn't it have been funny if everyone was just randomly falling around in different directions?

And the relative time thing could still have worked- the van falling in slow mo, but the layered worlds moving at the same pace. Would have worked fine IMO.

 

[McBadass]

Leo made it out once with his sanity. I believe he could do it again

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

Leo made it out once with his sanity. I believe he could do it again

This is true... the asian dude just needed to remember that he was only living in a dream world. After he figured that out (for god knows how long he was down there) he killed himself... or we think.

 

[TWISFM]

 

[fishdonotbounce]

Hahaha

 

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