Hydroxycut Hardcore?

[Witchdoktor]

the ban involved it as a dietary supplement but it can still be purchased over the counter. go to the pharmacy section and find bronchodiolators. the main ingredient is ephedrine-HCL. ALAKAZAM! the stuff should NOT be taken by anyone with a contraindication to it. a good ratio per dose would be:

ephedrine - 25 mg
caffeine - 200mg
asprin - 250 mg

 

[Witchdoktor]

yeah, so like how stacker used to have an ECA version.. hence the name "stacker" right?

correct. stacker (original version), hydroxycut (original version), xenadrine (original version), ripped fuel (original version) all listed a bunch of ingredients but they all used the main compounds - ECA!

just looked at MUSCLETECH's web page again, funny how they now bad mouth ephedrine after selling tons of it only a few years ago.

 

[jred321]

just looked at MUSCLETECH's web page again, funny how they now bad mouth ephedrine after selling tons of it only a few years ago.

because NOW it's bad for you, back then it was good for you, duh

 

[Witchdoktor]

because NOW it's bad for you, back then it was good for you, duh

you're being sarcastic, right

 

[jred321]

just something to remember at the gym, don't forget cardio and don't forget to lift legs if you want to lose body fat

 

[jred321]

you're being sarcastic, right

me? noooooo

 

[capnsavem]

just something to remember at the gym, don't forget cardio and don't forget to lift legs if you want to lose body fat

yeah, i hate doing legs, but i do them... sometimes (angel)

i know i need to kick up the cardio, so that was my new year resolution...

 

[Witchdoktor]

hehe. do you know how hard supplement companies were lobbying to avoid that ban? these companies were making a killing on ephedrine sales.

and the biggest irony of it all is the substance was banned by congressmen and congresswomen who take money from tobacco companies.

 

[capnsavem]

hehe. do you know how hard supplement companies were lobbying to avoid that ban? these companies were making a killing on ephedrine sales.

and the biggest irony of it all is the substance was banned by congressmen and congresswomen who take money from tobacco companies.

yeah. politicians suck. i voted for George Clinton.

 

[jred321]

yeah, i hate doing legs, but i do them... sometimes (angel)

i know i need to kick up the cardio, so that was my new year resolution...

i used to hate legs and cardio too, but really they both help a lot since i started doing them.

my cardio consists of most days only running around 2.1 miles, i found a running routine i like to do and burns about 300 calories according to the treadmill. i start with .25 miles on 6mph, then .25 miles on 7mph, then .25 miles on 7.5mph, then .25 miles on 8mph, etc... and the last quarter mile of 2 miles ends up at 10mph, after that if i'm not energetic i just keep going at 10mph for .1 miles to get the calories over 300 (it's not much different, i know, but i like to do it), or if i have a lot of energy another .25 miles at 10.5mph. it doesn't take too long but is still a good workout

 

[capnsavem]

i'm looking into some interval training regimens for cardio that i heard about.... like periodical sprints in between jogs....

 

[jred321]

interval training is fun but tough on a treadmill (or at least the ones at my gym) since they only go up to 12mph, which isn't really a sprint, just a quick run. on the track though interval training is fun, we used to do it for track workouts after our normal run. every once in a while i still do it but it wasn't called a hell day for nothing

 

[FL_PR5]

are you guys serious? you think ephedrine was banned over political bs? it kills. it causes damage to the heart and liver. my not sure why it took so long for the FCAA to recognize the damages but they ARE there. thats why i never take anything with ephedrine. it's just too unstable. i admit some products may still have it, but there are a few exceptions. i guess they just lately found the results of long time use of it.

edit: The Food and Drug Administration banned ephedra in 2003 because it increases the risk of heart attack, seizure, stroke and sudden death.

direct quote from a clinic site. and i can vouche for it.

 

[Witchdoktor]

thus why I posted it should not be taken by anyone who has contraindications to it.

thank goodness there's still good old tobacco around (pow)

 

[FL_PR5]

should not be taken by anyone with contradictions to it? it just shouldn't be taken unless you really need it. i just don't see why you'd take it when the companies have made the same quality of stuff without ephedra, more or less.

edit: i hate tobacco as well. that's a good way to throw all your gym time out the window.

 

[capnsavem]

are you guys serious? you think ephedrine was banned over political bs? it kills. it causes damage to the heart and liver. my not sure why it took so long for the FCAA to recognize the damages but they ARE there. thats why i never take anything with ephedrine. it's just too unstable. i admit some products may still have it, but there are a few exceptions. i guess they just lately found the results of long time use of it.

edit: The Food and Drug Administration banned ephedra in 2003 because it increases the risk of heart attack, seizure, stroke and sudden death.

direct quote from a clinic site. and i can vouche for it.

the ban against ephedra-based products 10mg/dose and under has been lifted. Judge Tena Campbell of the U. S. District Court in Salt Lake City struck down the FDA's (Food and Drug Administration) ban on the sale of the herbal supplement ephedra (in her opinion, the FDA had failed to make their case that ephedra was dangerous at that dosage.

and isnt it funny... ephedra and ephedra alkaloids remain common ingredients in many legal, over the counter products. It was only been made illegal in fat burners. A bit of a double-standard... also:

while ephedra in fat burner form was illegal, it was not illegal if you purchased it in bulk form, since it is then considered a "food item" by the government...

hmmm... sounds like political bs to me.

 

[Witchdoktor]

It was politcal bulls*** as politicians jumped on it only when the media reported it. But at the same time you can't deny the fact if you take it in excess and especially with contraindications to it it's harmful.

 

[FL_PR5]

perhaps, the dosage size was the problem. but i do know it kills...
i'm not a expert on this subject, but only speaking from experience. i do know there are holes in the ban, as you stated, but perhaps the legal ephedra products are not joined by the other chemicals and enzymes that they are with in the fat burning products. so they arn't as lethal or dangerous.

 

[capnsavem]

perhaps, the dosage size was the problem. but i do know it kills...
i'm not a expert on this subject, but only speaking from experience. i do know there are holes in the ban, as you stated, but perhaps the legal ephedra products are not joined by the other chemicals and enzymes that they are with in the fat burning products. so they arn't as lethal or dangerous.

good point.

they did, however, find that among many of the deaths that the gov't blamed on ephedra had to do with the fact that the people that were taking it were also using much more dangerous drugs in conjunction with ephedra, such as cocaine, for example.

 

[FL_PR5]

instead of thinking about the ephedra by itself. think about the other chemicals that join it and act with it. i bet a lot of the chemicals and enzymes in fat burning solutions arn't in the other legal products, exspecially in those high dosages. you do bring up some good points. but i just don't agree with all of it since none of us are medicinal experts or professional body builders who know thier stuff.

just food for thought. no pun intended.