horrid ABS in snow...broken?

[03.5-dc-speed]

still winter
still got the summer tires
still no problem.

if its bad i just hit the DSC button and seems to help be get a bit of grip due to it no cutting the power under 3k rpms.

 

[60181]

If the car was sliding I would have never posted, the car is 1 month old and everything is still stock at this point, I understand that the tires will cause sliding and terrible handling in snow, especially with performance dry weather tires,

it's not just handling, but with the stock tires, you won't stop...the ABS is doing what it is meant to do...keep the wheels rolling while slowing vs locking up and having no control. The stock tires will turn so hard in freezing temps that you will litterally thump along until they warm up if you park it overnight outside in cold weather. They can't grip at all and thus will not give you any stopping power. The Stability system is out the door too as it using braking power.

my complaint wasn't that the car was sliding its that the brakes never kicked in at all, once e-brake and gear lockup was engaged the car stopped within 2 feet,

sure, you manually locked up the rear brakes to plow forward and create friciton and causing the car to stall helped too.

the area this happened on had no accumulation, you could see the asphalt completely bare,

Black ice perhaps? Sounds exactly like what happens on frozen roads. Road doesn't have to be shiny to have black ice present.

if it where a tire issue the car would have slid substantially more than 2 feet when they where locked up,

not necessarily. Locking up the tires created heat and friction between the road and the tire compound. ABS doesn't do that and isn't meant to. It's meant to maintain steering control. Personally I've found threshold braking better than stomping on the brakes and engaging ABS but that's just me. I hardly ever have ABS to kick in and we just got blasted with ice and 8" of snow. Zero issues with starting or stopping........the difference......LM-25's. /story.

I ran my 07 cobalt ss/sc and my 04 srt-4 both on slicks in the snow (I love sliding in snow and ice) and while the ABS gets harder I have never had them completely prevent braking before.

Can't comment on such a practice.

 

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

lol this thread is stupid

 

[zoomdoom]

(stupid)

 

[Olestra]

(headshake
You claim to know alot about cars but you should really read about tire compounds and how ABS works.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/brakes/brake-types/anti-lock-brake.htm

Fantastic website to learn the basics.

You might think I'm being a dick but I'm serious. Time for a wake up call before you get T-boned by an 18 wheeler.

 

[john blutarski]

I'm sorry but you can't blame the ABS system when you're driving in snow on SUMMER TIRES. These tires are not designed for snow or cold weather... period.

 

[AutoEuphoria]

I'm sorry but you can't blame the ABS system when you're driving in snow on SUMMER TIRES. These tires are not designed for snow or cold weather... period.

Exactly. Be glad it did kick in or you'd still be sliding.

 

[xtrememps]

+1 Thank you for saving me the effort of typing all that.

it's not just handling, but with the stock tires, you won't stop...the ABS is doing what it is meant to do...keep the wheels rolling while slowing vs locking up and having no control. The stock tires will turn so hard in freezing temps that you will litterally thump along until they warm up if you park it overnight outside in cold weather. They can't grip at all and thus will not give you any stopping power. The Stability system is out the door too as it using braking power.



sure, you manually locked up the rear brakes to plow forward and create friciton and causing the car to stall helped too.



Black ice perhaps? Sounds exactly like what happens on frozen roads. Road doesn't have to be shiny to have black ice present.



not necessarily. Locking up the tires created heat and friction between the road and the tire compound. ABS doesn't do that and isn't meant to. It's meant to maintain steering control. Personally I've found threshold braking better than stomping on the brakes and engaging ABS but that's just me. I hardly ever have ABS to kick in and we just got blasted with ice and 8" of snow. Zero issues with starting or stopping........the difference......LM-25's. /story.



Can't comment on such a practice.

 

[Mr. 4500 RPM]

(stupid)

and no you cannot state this when the OP is running SUMMER PERFORMANCE tires in winter and icey conditions. He is trying to blame the car for his mistake in not buying proper tires for the conditions he is driving in. THIS TYPE OF THREAD HAPPENS ALL THE TIME and is just plain dumb. You do not buy a performance based car and expect it to run year round in many different conditions running performance tires. He should bare min have all seasons depending on his location. BUT as posted time and time again he needs winters. So the joke is on you and I am not stupid, I was right in my post and your just a moron trying to get a post count.