high power MSPs!

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Well obviously this car was not designed to run anything above 300whp, but if you do it right and have some cash you can turn this sleeper sedan into a deadly sealth weapon on the streets.. atleast here in Spain its fun to see people with 200-300 HP cars trying you all the time not knowing what the car actually has under the hood... Theres plenty of nice and well done Proteges builds in here that will make you change your mind. if you want Perfection BrianMP5T, if you want a bad ass looking and powerfull FOCUS, a Serious Z06 Killer MaxxMazda etc....Theres plenty of different animals around this forum to choose from. all of them with a different point of view and Style but all of them deadly... my humble opinion. Anything is possible and worth it if you do it right.

 

[JaLMP5]

^ definitely true and I hope to be one of those monsters one day soon (building mine now). But all of them, including you I'm sure, have spent an immense amount of money and have done all the work themselves. If you added expense for labor it'll double or triple all the cost for parts.

 

[Outlawstar98]

I need a tune and a built trans and I will be at 350-400hp easy. You just have to make sure you build it right or it will blow again. And mine is a DD

 

[lavishauto]

That's what's I wanna do ^

 

[Tungsten6]

500hp in a front wheel drive car with a motor that loves to burn oil and shoot rods out of the block..
Thats a greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat idea.

 

[Spiced MSP]

500hp in a front wheel drive car with a motor that loves to burn oil and shoot stock rods out of the stock block..
Thats a greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat idea.

fixed

 

[mazdaspeedp]

Lol i think 3-400 is a good goal.

 

[kamon8404]

Being around the MSP community for awhile and having owned a pretty extensively modified one myself. If I have any word of advice for you new comers is, start slow. I have seen many msps with very little mods blow their motors or trans. Both are pretty much glass in stock form. The stock rods are toothpicks and the stock lsd breaks for no reason and without warning.

Get a piggy back asap. It could possibly be saving your ass with no mods because the stock tune is pathetic. Do all bolt ons, and tune for that without cranking up the boost. See if you like the power. If you are dying for more after all bolt ons and an ems, you are definitely gonna wanna build the motor to do it reliably. Anything above 250 on a stock block is just asking for trouble.

 

[float_6969]

Do you think reliability is an issue with bolt on's and low boost? My first mod to this car was a SSAFC, then CAI, and intercooler and exhasut and DP are on the way. I have no plans to run over 8psi.

 

[kamon8404]

Do you think reliability is an issue with bolt on's and low boost? My first mod to this car was a SSAFC, then CAI, and intercooler and exhasut and DP are on the way. I have no plans to run over 8psi.

I think a lot of it is luck of the draw and of course how you treat your car. My car had over 90k, with all bolt ons and a GT28RS for a at least 60k before I got rid of it and I had zero reliability issues. Then again, my car barely saw boost. I just like knowing I did the work. I didn't have to redline it at every light and race every car on the road. It would be nothing for me not to boost for a couple months at a time. My very first mod though was the SSAFC. I'm sure that had something to do with it as well.

 

[TURBOJ1]

500 mokeys to the wheel!!

 

[TURBOJ1]

....but seriously,I should know in a couple weeks,I'm waiting on some 850cc injectors to arrive so I can feed my Precision 5831

 

[mazdaspeedp]

I think it just comes down to building the transmission and getting a good tune if u want it to be reliable.

 

[float_6969]

I think a lot of it is luck of the draw and of course how you treat your car. My car had over 90k, with all bolt ons and a GT28RS for a at least 60k before I got rid of it and I had zero reliability issues. Then again, my car barely saw boost. I just like knowing I did the work. I didn't have to redline it at every light and race every car on the road. It would be nothing for me not to boost for a couple months at a time. My very first mod though was the SSAFC. I'm sure that had something to do with it as well.

Well that reassures me a bit. Although I don't baby my cars at all, I'm not at redline everyday either. My first mod was a 2.5" cat back, then SSAFC, then CAI. Intercooler and DP are on the way. This is all at less than stock boost actually. I modified the stock hotpipe with a threaded port so I could install a barbed fitting and run the wastegate to the hotpipe. I did that in hopes that it would help with the turkey (it didn't), but it also dropped the boost down a bit.

I'm coming from a Nissan backround and so I'm not used to having to be so careful about engine internals on a factory turbo motor. I know it's been talked about a million times, but considering how good the rest of the car is, it's really unfortunate that Mazda/Callaway did such a poor job on the drivetrain.

That just gave me an idea! Toyota and Subaru got together for the BRZ/FR-S. Mazda and Nissan should get together for a competing model!!! Let Mazda handle the chassis, and let Nissan handle the drivetrain. Nissan has a really good turbo motor right now that would work perfectly for that kind of platform.

 

[kamon8404]

Well that reassures me a bit. Although I don't baby my cars at all, I'm not at redline everyday either. My first mod was a 2.5" cat back, then SSAFC, then CAI. Intercooler and DP are on the way. This is all at less than stock boost actually. I modified the stock hotpipe with a threaded port so I could install a barbed fitting and run the wastegate to the hotpipe. I did that in hopes that it would help with the turkey (it didn't), but it also dropped the boost down a bit.

I'm coming from a Nissan backround and so I'm not used to having to be so careful about engine internals on a factory turbo motor. I know it's been talked about a million times, but considering how good the rest of the car is, it's really unfortunate that Mazda/Callaway did such a poor job on the drivetrain.

That just gave me an idea! Toyota and Subaru got together for the BRZ/FR-S. Mazda and Nissan should get together for a competing model!!! Let Mazda handle the chassis, and let Nissan handle the drivetrain. Nissan has a really good turbo motor right now that would work perfectly for that kind of platform.

It definitely sounds like you should get some hard pipes to have a lot more of an efficient setup.

Looking back if I just got the msp and could do it all again knowing what I know now. I probably would have just did the SSAFC, J&S, kept the stock turbo, Steedspeed exhaust manifold, ION 3" TBE, Upgraded SMIC, Hardpipes w/dual valve setup (or just relocated again), AWR Small Rad w/really high quality slim fans, Illumnas w/sportlines, and my same interior setup.

I loved the turbolife fmic but I sure did miss AC a lot in the hot summer months of virginia beach. Like I said, I didn't race it, so the FMIC wasn't actually necessary. If heat ended up being an issue with the FMIC I could of just did meth.

The msp is a great little car. With those mods listed above it would have been more than enough for some fun and a hell of a DD. It taught me a lot about cars and turbos in general. Handled amazing. A lot better than my SI does now. It did have its flaws and I luckily didn't have to experience any of them like a lot of people did.

 

[Cleverfrog]

500hp in a front wheel drive car with a motor that loves to burn oil and shoot rods out of the block..
Thats a greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat idea.

Torque steer much? 500 is a better goal for a different platform.

 

[Boosted_Speed]

On my current setup I'm running a built block with a gt3076r at 28psi on 110L fuel. The car made 508whp and 515trq. The only problems I had with my car was the transmission.. I broke 3 sets of 3rd gears so I went with the gtx gears and haven't had a problem since. The car is also my daily driver & on a daily I run 24psi on 93.

 

[Spiced MSP]

holy s***!!

 

[jim9]

Crazy... good thing I'm staying around 340 - 360 for the sake of the msp transmissions.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

On my current setup I'm running a built block with a gt3076r at 28psi on 110L fuel. The car made 508whp and 515trq. The only problems I had with my car was the transmission.. I broke 3 sets of 3rd gears so I went with the gtx gears and haven't had a problem since. The car is also my daily driver & on a daily I run 24psi on 93.

nice numbers buddy You have basically maxed out your GT30. What HP you did on pump gas? i did 520whp and 496 tq at 26 psi on pump gas using 98 octane. soon we will retune the car and up the boost to 30 psi and see if we can reach the 600whp on 98 octane. then on race gas to see where do we get. you got any videos or dyno sheets?