Hey Y'all, wasssup

Hey, I'm new here. Name's Ash, 22, from nyc. I've been in the tuning scene for about 5-6 years now, mainly around rwd cars, I have a 92 240sx which I love and after tons of research have decided that I will be purchasing a MP5 very soon in the future. (For practicality, fuel eficiency, comfort, and driveability reasons :-) )

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A little about my 240sx:

base model 92 240sx w/ 170k miles 5spd
180sx kouki (type x) front conversion
ksport coilovers 7kg/mm front, 5kg/mm rear
revo technica t/c rods
c-tune front brace arm
rota d2 wheels 17x8.5+25 w/ 225/45/17 Kumho Ecsta's
c-tune strut bars
nismo steering wheel, with quick release, and ebay hub adapter
pioneer mp3/cd head unit
pioneer 6.5" component set
broadway wide rear view mirror
nismo short shifter
nismo 2 way limited slip with 4.44 final gear (r180 carrier)
2.5" custom catback exhaust
 
yea welcome to the forums man.this place is really helpfull with pretty much anything you need to know about that awsome MP5 your getting.what color is it?any mods on it yet?
 
I am still searching and looking, as you guys know this is a rare car here in the U.S. as they were only released as 02 and 03 models. Does anyone know how many were in production total here in the states? Also, I would prefer having the cloth interior over the leather. I am not partial to any colors but I do like all the colors the Protege5 comes in except black because I do not want to take care of black. I've had many black cars before and they were a pain in the ass, polish, wax, buff, etc.

Cloth interior, any color exterior, within 250 miles of nyc, 5spd, 02 or 03, thats pretty much it.

All protege5's had rear drums? I would prefer 4 wheel abs disc brakes if they are available, but if not then whatever is out there should be fine.

I'm from Flushing, Queens, New York City! ;-)

PS - My g/f has an '06 mazda3 which I drive pretty much every day, and that is how I have come to love mazda's, the Protege5 is said to be even better.

A few complaints people seem to have are: crappy tires, lack of power, weak a/c, and weak sound system. What would you guys reccomend? I like BFG tires, as for power would an i/h/e be enough or is there more? What is the right way to tuen a mp5, vw's love chips, honda's love bolts ons, and nissans love turbo's. Does the MP5 have any tuning preferences? I'm also guessing that the weak a/c system is something that cannot be fixed easily b/c my g/f's mazda3 has the same problem and it is a wide and common problem, it just so happens that these cars come from the factory with weak a/c systems.

Also, which protege's came with the factory turbocharger? The MP3's or the MP5's?

Sorry for writing the dictionary.
 
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asifmbadar said:
I am still searching and looking, as you guys know this is a rare car here in the U.S. as they were only released as 02 and 03 models. Does anyone know how many were in production total here in the states? Also, I would prefer having the cloth interior over the leather. I am not partial to any colors but I do like all the colors the Protege5 comes in except black because I do not want to take care of black. I've had many black cars before and they were a pain in the ass, polish, wax, buff, etc.

Cloth interior, any color exterior, within 250 miles of nyc, 5spd, 02 or 03, thats pretty much it.

All protege5's had rear drums? I would prefer 4 wheel abs disc brakes if they are available, but if not then whatever is out there should be fine.

I'm from Flushing, Queens, New York City! ;-)

PS - My g/f has an '06 mazda3 which I drive pretty much every day, and that is how I have come to love mazda's, the Protege5 is said to be even better.

A few complaints people seem to have are: crappy tires, lack of power, weak a/c, and weak sound system. What would you guys reccomend? I like BFG tires, as for power would an i/h/e be enough or is there more? What is the right way to tuen a mp5, vw's love chips, honda's love bolts ons, and nissans love turbo's. Does the MP5 have any tuning preferences? I'm also guessing that the weak a/c system is something that cannot be fixed easily b/c my g/f's mazda3 has the same problem and it is a wide and common problem, it just so happens that these cars come from the factory with weak a/c systems.

Also, which protege's came with the factory turbocharger? The MP3's or the MP5's?

Sorry for writing the dictionary.
Welcome Ash! You will fall in love with the P5.... :)

To answer some of your questions:
Cloth vs. Leather - It should be just as easy (if not easier) to find cloth interior vs. leather.

Brakes - All P5's came with 4 wheel disc brakes. In Canada, ABS was standard, but I know it was an option in the States.

MZ3 vs. P5 - If you think you like the ride/handling of the 3, just wait until you take a P5 for a rip :D I've driven a 3, and it can't compare to the connectedness, the feedback, the visceral feeling I get when driving my car - and that was before I upgraded my suspension. The P5 is truly a driver's car. Just wish it was faster from factory :( (the only true downfall of this car, IMO)

P5 Drawbacks - The factory Dunlops are crap, yes, but I'd be surprised if any P5's out there still had these tires on them. Lack of power was already mentioned, but get on a good twisty road and that tends to fall by the wayside; you will be grinning ear to ear as you leave the more powerful cars behind you in the curves. Yes, the A/C isn't the greatest, but it does the job. Depending on what you like/are used to, the factory sound setup isn't bad; in the US, I believe it was the 03.5's that had a spare-tire sub included with the car (don't quote me on the year though).

Mods - I/H/E is probably the first group you should look at, and what most people do, but I've also heard really good things about the UDP (have to install mine yet). Everyone has their own opinions. We do have some AWESOME vendors on this site though, some of the best being Protege Garage (run by Captain KRM P5 on here), NSN Motorsports (Turfburn), Corksport, Horsepower Freaks, etc. Just check out the authorized vendor section for more info.

Factory Turbo - The MP3 was released only in 2001 (sedan), and was non-turbo, though it did have some minor performance tweaks from factory. I WISH the P5 came from factory with a turbo; it was actually the Mazdaspeed Protege (MSP), a sedan, which was only released in 2003. The first half of the year only black mica and spicy orange (<3) was released; the second half of the year, there was titanium, blazing yellow, sunlight silver, and lapis blue iirc. This 03.5 model also had some subtle styling differences as compared to the 03's.

Wow, I've gone on, but hopefully this gives you some more information to go on. Search is your friend as most topics have been discussed many times, but if you have a question feel free to ask :) Most people are more than happy to help out a new/prospective owner.
 
I'm pretty much in the exact same situation as you-- I have a 1992 240sx and I'm looking to get a Protege5 soon. My 240 has ~190k miles and it's starting to show its age. It's virtually stock as the only "mods" are whiteline suspension bushings b/c the original ones crapped out on me. It's my daily driver so I don't want to do anything to it until I get a replacement. Since nobody makes RWD economy cars now, I've decided a Protege5 will be a good replacement (good handling, great looks, better mpg, 4 doors, Mazda reliability).

I've been researching for a long time now and I can answer some of your questions:
1) all P5's have 4-wheel disk brakes. ABS is an option.
2) factory turbocharger was the Mazdaspeed Protege. MP3's had a slightly reworked engine for ~10 more horsepower but it was still n/a.

I'm new also so I don't feel like I'm qualified to welcome you, but good luck in your search!
 
Thank you all for the warm welcome and intelligent, well informed advice. I am doing more and more research on this car, and the more I get involved in it.. the more I love it. I am saving up money right now for a MP5, or maybe even a MP3, but only turbo. I would like having the hatch because I'm a big road-tripper and family caravaner. I drive family and friends all over and doing that in my 240sx is no longer an option. (The coilovers make family members hate me, lol). Is the difference in cargo room between the MP5 and MP3 extremely significant or not? It's either MSP3 (turbo) or MP5. I want to buy it all out so money is being stored up, I should have enough money to buy one flat out by February the latest. I'm on the forums to see what I'm getting my foot into :-P

Here is a picture of my 240sx in case anyone wanted to see it:
When purchsed in January:
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After 6 months of owning it:
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I do all my mods and work on the car myself. :-)
 
asifmbadar said:
Thank you all for the warm welcome and intelligent, well informed advice. I am doing more and more research on this car, and the more I get involved in it.. the more I love it. I am saving up money right now for a MP5, or maybe even a MP3, but only turbo. I would like having the hatch because I'm a big road-tripper and family caravaner. I drive family and friends all over and doing that in my 240sx is no longer an option. (The coilovers make family members hate me, lol). Is the difference in cargo room between the MP5 and MP3 extremely significant or not? It's either MSP3 (turbo) or MP5. I want to buy it all out so money is being stored up, I should have enough money to buy one flat out by February the latest. I'm on the forums to see what I'm getting my foot into :-P
Nice 240sx

To confirm for you, both the P5 and the MP3 are NOT turbo cars from factory - though you can obviously do that aftermarket; the only Protege from factory that was turbo'd was the Mazdaspeed Protege, or MSP as it's known on here.

Both the MP3 (2001 only) and MSP (2003 only) are sedans, the P5 (2002-03) is the hatchback. If you want cargo room, you are better off with the P5. However, you can fit quite a bit into the sedan versions of the Protege too.
 
Well not too much I can offer but - Hello.

Just bought mine in Jan. of this year and LOVE it!!! If you travel go with the P5 over the sedan, because you can remove the cargo cover and stack to the roof. I actually 'test fit' our luggage today for our trip to Myrtle Beach next week. I fit two large cases and one small case on the floor of the trunk and stacked one small and a duffle bag on top with room for one more duffle!!!

So even with a Vue in the driveway I am leaning sooooo much closer to taking the P5...def. more fun to drive. :)

BTW nice 240!
 
No offense, but it kind of bothers me when people say they are tuners when they have a stock ECU. Do you have EMS?
 
Thank you. Okay so the mazdaspeed protege was the only factory turbocharged protege. It is the same 4 cylinder motor as the mp3 and mp5 with a turbocharger on it or are the internals stronger and built for turbo?

19.8cu ft (mp5) vs 12.9 mp3/msp of cargo volume
That's about 7 cu. ft. advantage that the mp5 has, 5 cubic feet is a lot of space, I think I will stick with the mp5. However if I come across a clean msp I will consider it, but I'm guessing these will be significantly overpriced.

Expert reviews on msn and other websites seem to love the mazda protege as a fun, thrilling car to drive that has changed their minds about the platform. Anyone here experienced something similar? Buying it and considering it a family car or just an A to B commuter and then realizing what a great car it is?

I will be keeping my 240sx for drifting and other purposes, so I think getting the mp5 will be best, I will have the best of both worlds. :-)

Also, I hate to be a nuisance, but what can I expect to pay for an 02 or 04 mp5? I see that they go on ebay for anywhere between 10k - 16k. Thanks in advance. Also is MP5 the chassis code or just a short name? What is the engine code for the 2.0L 16v motor inside these beasts?
 
I do not have an EMS yet because I dont need one. The motor is pretty much stock. I will be dropping a built crate ka24de into the 240sx when my drifting skills improve more. Then maybe one day I will turbo it if need be, and then EMS and other tuning will be needed. But for now I want to get better with the stock motor with as minor power mods as possible. My differential and suspension are really what I spent the money on my car so far. The exterior is also a work in progress, I dont want to have those fiberglass fenders but I dont have the time to change them out to stock ones. The front bumper is oem nissan from the 180sx type x's in japan and is not available in the states.

And I consider myself a tuner/ modifier because tuning a cars suspension, drivetrain, chassis, and even exterior is a form of tuning/modifying.

Also for anyone interested, if you see my cardomain page you will see the full 6+ month documentation and write-ups I have done for my car. Emphasis was placed on a few things in the following order: maintenance, suspension; drivetrain; exterior. I believe in having a good suspension and drivetrain setup that can maximize your skills before putting a turbocharged motor in the car.

PS - I used to get great gas mileage in my 240sx (28mpg) in mixed city and highway driving but since the nismo 2 way went in.. its dropped to about 20, lol. The final gear ratio of the stock open diff is 4.045 I believe, and the one in my carrier is 4.44, so that changes things dramatically.
 
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Not to be an ass but the P5 was only made for the 02 and 03 model years with four variations - the 02, 02.5, 03 and 03.5. 02.5 introduced the side markers on the fenders along with new style of wheels and leather (?). 03 I believe is when the roof rack became an option and 03.5 came standard with a sub in the spare tire (I know I missed some differences but can't think of them at the moment).

As far as price, I have seen them from $9k to 14k. Alot will depend on the mileage. Saw one listed at $9900 with 98k miles!! Crazy if you ask me. One in my town right now (yellow) going for $12,999 with 38k miles (dealer).

MP5 is just short for Mazda Protege5, chassis code is BJII (IIRC) someone please correct me if I am wrong.
 
asifmbadar said:
You're not being an ass, that's valuable information. Thank you.

Thought it would be helpful, especailly if you are checking ebay. Oh yeah, Mazda DID NOT make a Mazdaspeed P5!!! I only say this as I have found them listed on ebay. Nice what stickers can do...haha
 
Yeah, damn ricers. Thanks for the heads up. How popular is it for people to swap in the turbo motor from the msp into the mp5? Or is it the exact same motor so people just opt to slap an aftermarket turbo setup on it? Also from the way the car is described, and if it is any similar to my g/f's mazda3, is there a supercharger available for these motors? Because the natural balance of the car seems to be a perfect recipient of a supercharger...

I gotta read up and search some bit on the engine specs.
 
asifmbadar said:
A little about my 240sx:

base model 92 240sx w/ 170k miles 5spd
180sx kouki (type x) front conversion
ksport coilovers 7kg/mm front, 5kg/mm rear
revo technica t/c rods
c-tune front brace arm
rota d2 wheels 17x8.5+25 w/ 225/45/17 Kumho Ecsta's
c-tune strut bars
nismo steering wheel, with quick release, and ebay hub adapter
pioneer mp3/cd head unit
pioneer 6.5" component set
broadway wide rear view mirror
nismo short shifter
nismo 2 way limited slip with 4.44 final gear (r180 carrier)
2.5" custom catback exhaust

welcome. check out the latest sport compact car mag because they talk about dropping the 3.5L v6 from the maxima into a 240. that'd be cool
 
Maxima? rwd to fwd? That wouldn't be advantageous, or were you thinking of using the tranny from another nissan rwd vehicle?

I like the motor in the 240sx, ka24de, tons of torque and power. These motors can be built for insane hp numbers with little money. They are iron block unlike the sr20det's which are aluminum and the popular swap but the ka24de-t swap idea is becoming very popular now, and you even have companies like TopHat Performance selling built crate ka24de's with 400hp capable internals...

I would be keeping the mp5 subtly modded and taking it to scca events every now and then.
 

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