Help petition the ban on HIDs.

[b_real45]

http://www.petitiononline.com/hidforum/petition.html

You can also add a comment... I wrote that they should enforce mandatory headlight re-aiming and professional installation instead of an all-out ban on HIDs.

 

[TheMAN]

wow... more ignorance and people going apeshit over HIDs
HIDs are NOT banned... RETROFITS are

that petition is NEVER going to do anything... why? because it shows full ignorance and stupidity about the problem... completely ignoring technical/scientific facts why retrofitting can't be done

 

[b_real45]

CI-108-030717B G-Garage/2003 Mcculloch HID conv./light sources may not comply with dimensional and electrical requirements

... Uhm so what? People buy a performance header that doesn't follow government guidelines yet it can be sold as "off-road" only. No one has banned headers.

Yes it's the retrofit that is being banned. I didn't state that ALL hids are banned... you need to bring my sentence into the correct context... we do not have factory HID systems in our P5's.. (unless it was a Japanese model).. so why would I worry about factory HIDs?

The point is, there are so many non-government regulated products that we can get for our cars that are intended for "off-road" use. Why not just keep HID retrofits like that? And demand that any installation of HID retrofits require professional installation and re-aiming instead of just a ban on the whole thing?

 

[mazdadan]

If more companies did the proper R&D and developed kits like the Sylvania Xenarc, then there would be no problems:

http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/prodinfo.htm

The Xenarc has a properly designed housing/lens/bulb setup and is not like these crappy conversion kits being sold all over the web. It is 100% street legal and is still being sold at various retailers. If anything....send your emails to the development team at Sylvania. It will do much more good than signing that stupid petition.

 

[b_real45]

I'm not trying to argue with you, "The MAN."

1.) you can stop calling people other than yourself ignorant.

2.) you can try to understand why I might be miss-informed or whatever.

3.) I'm just trying to figure out why it's a complete ban.

I know that a poor HID retrofit can be very dangerous... but so can improperly aimed factory headlights with the brights on. I've seen that so many more times than HIDs blinding me. If they are going to ban everything unsafe to install in a car, they should ban turbo kits, headers, intakes, etc. After all, any one of those products can do damage to your car while driving which will, in effect, cause potential danger to other drivers on the road.

 

[TheMAN]

uhh... you said you wanted help on banning HIDs

Help petition the ban on HIDs.

then your post said you wanted help on the petition against the HID retrofit ban?


yes you said *all*... by generalizing without even wording it specifically, you did

...all-out ban on HIDs.

 

[b_real45]

Re: Re: Help petition the ban on HIDs.

uhh... you said you wanted help on banning HIDs

then your post said you wanted help on the petition against the HID retrofit ban?


yes you said *all*... by generalizing without even wording it specifically, you did

"all-out ban" as opposed to no ban at all.. and only enforcing proper installation and re-aiming.

 

[TheMAN]

the ignorant can't search
the stupid can't see the link to where everything is explained
the non-thinker can't understand the fact that non-compliant emissions systems won't get people killed... non-compliant safety equipment WILL... "off road use only" is NOT a valid exclusion from FMVSS 108 requirements and did not specify exclusions... "off road use only" is not a legally binding term and will not hold up in court... federal law requires that ALL automotive equipment regulated under NHTSA's "DOT" FMVSS requirements MUST be compliant before it maybe sold

I'm not trying to argue with you, "The MAN."

1.) you can stop calling people other than yourself ignorant.

2.) you can try to understand why I might be miss-informed or whatever.

3.) I'm just trying to figure out why it's a complete ban.

I know that a poor HID retrofit can be very dangerous... but so can improperly aimed factory headlights with the brights on. I've seen that so many more times than HIDs blinding me. If they are going to ban everything unsafe to install in a car, they should ban turbo kits, headers, intakes, etc. After all, any one of those products can do damage to your car while driving which will, in effect, cause potential danger to other drivers on the road.

 

[TheMAN]

Re: Re: Re: Help petition the ban on HIDs.

perhaps I need to spell it out to you?
you said " professional installation instead of an all-out ban on (insert ALL here) HIDs."

by NOT specifying which specific group or quantity, English grammar rules dictate that such vague statements are assumed as "ALL" or "ANY"

"all-out ban" as opposed to no ban at all.. and only enforcing proper installation and re-aiming.

 

[b_real45]

So you're saying a turbo kit cannot get people killed? How about a poorly installed turbo kit leaking oil on the highway? Wait.. it's not considered "safety equipment" therefore it can't kill anyone??

How about someone with a poorly installed intake and was too lazy to bolt it down with proper hose clamps? I was actually in an accident where a ricer had his intake fall out of the engine bay and caused 3 cars to collide... but that's OK because it's not considered "safety equipment."

Wait wait.. how about people with FACTORY headlights driving with their high-beams and don't bother to switch them off when passing on-coming traffic? Wait up.. that's not right? Why do they even have high-beams? If not properly used, it can cause accidents.. and that IS safety equipment right?

 

[b_real45]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Help petition the ban on HIDs.

perhaps I need to spell it out to you?
you said " professional installation instead of an all-out ban on (insert ALL here) HIDs."

by NOT specifying which specific group or quantity, English grammar rules dictate that such vague statements are assumed as "ALL" or "ANY"

That's where simple awareness and the use of context comes into play. thanks for playing.

 

[cablemirc]

CI-108-030717B G-Garage/2003 Mcculloch HID conv./light sources may not comply with dimensional and electrical requirements
... demand that any installation of HID retrofits require professional installation and re-aiming instead of just a ban on the whole thing?

you can quote the laws, how come you can't understand WHY this will not work, NORTH AMERICAN HEADLIGHT ENCLOSURES SUCK. they are not made to contain the arcing light from a HID in ANY kind of beam pattern. "professional installation" means s***, as even a "professional installer" CANNOT make them safe. re-aiming does'nt do s*** either. THE HEADLIGHT ENCLOSURES, QUITE SIMPLY, SUCK. they "barf" light out of the enclosure.. HID, in order to be safe, must be FOCUSED.

you cannot focus an HID beam with a North American OEM Mazda enclosure. it cannot be retrofitted, it cannot be done. therefore, it SHOULD be illegal, and should remain such.

HID enclosures inside of HID approved headlamp enclosures are the only way to make them safe.

yes.. the ONLY way.

 

[b_real45]

you can quote the laws, how come you can't understand WHY this will not work, NORTH AMERICAN HEADLIGHT ENCLOSURED SUCK. they are not made to contain the arcing light from a HID in ANY kind of beam pattern. "professional installation" means s***, as even a "professional installer" CANNOT make them safe. re-aiming does'nt do s*** either. THE HEADLIGHT ENCLOSURES, QUITE SIMPLY, SUCK. they "barf" light out of the enclosure.. HID, in order to be safe, must be FOCUSED.

you cannot focus an HID beam with a North American OEM Mazda enclosure. it cannot be retrofitted, it cannot be done. therefore, it SHOULD be illegal, and should remain such.

HID enclosures inside of HID approved headlamp enclosures are the only way to make them safe.

yes.. the ONLY way.

That's fine. I understand all that. What I dont understand is that there are many car parts that cannot work as intended as a factory part could.. yet those parts are not banned.

 

[cablemirc]

That's fine. I understand all that. What I dont understand is that there are many car parts that cannot work as intended as a factory part could.. yet those parts are not banned.

then why would you ask us to petition to have the ban lifted?
would'nt you rather help broaden the ban on unsafe road sales?

 

[b_real45]

Because I feel it is unsafe to completely ban something while leaving other things unbanned.

 

[b_real45]

Because I feel it is unfair to completely ban something while leaving other things unbanned.

 

[TheMAN]

turbo kits CAN'T get people killed... the stupid driver who has the turbo kit CAN get himself or others killed

s*** falling off of cars are considered road hazards... thats why there's a thing called "evasive manuvers" that is (barely) taught in driver's ed... they TELL you to expect s*** falling off the back of trucks

driving with highbeams in the city is misuse of a product that is under the jurisdiction of state and municipal laws and although the TECHNICAL specifications of the equipment MAY comply with FMVSS 108, FMVSS 108 does NOT specify HOW The equipment is to be used except for HOW it is to be installed and functions... the state/municipal statuates have definitions to what is considered "misuse" (human CAUSED unsafety, versus equipment caused unsafety) and have addendums on safety requirements not specified in FMVSS rules such as window tint, auxilery lights, ride height, etc

in otherwords, what you DON'T GET is passive causes of unsafety versus active causes of unsafety.... passive causes are causes NOT from YOU, but from others who you now have installed safety equipment from that happens to be unsafe... for example, the firestone tires installed in the ford explorer was unsafe and caused crashes... the cause of the unsafety was from the manufacturer, NOT the driver... the driver didn't do anything to cause the crash... ACTIVE causes are causes from YOU, meaning driving wrecklessly such as showing off then getting your car wrapped around a tree after you have a turbo kit installed

So you're saying a turbo kit cannot get people killed? How about a poorly installed turbo kit leaking oil on the highway? Wait.. it's not considered "safety equipment" therefore it can't kill anyone??

How about someone with a poorly installed intake and was too lazy to bolt it down with proper hose clamps? I was actually in an accident where a ricer had his intake fall out of the engine bay and caused 3 cars to collide... but that's OK because it's not considered "safety equipment."

Wait wait.. how about people with FACTORY headlights driving with their high-beams and don't bother to switch them off when passing on-coming traffic? Wait up.. that's not right? Why do they even have high-beams? If not properly used, it can cause accidents.. and that IS safety equipment right?

 

[TheMAN]

what you don't understand also is NO headlight housing designed originally for a halogen or incandesent bulb can be made to work with HIDs... regardless of which standard... ANYTHING from the world made for halogens/incandesent WON'T WORK

you can quote the laws, how come you can't understand WHY this will not work, NORTH AMERICAN HEADLIGHT ENCLOSURES SUCK. they are not made to contain the arcing light from a HID in ANY kind of beam pattern. "professional installation" means s***, as even a "professional installer" CANNOT make them safe. re-aiming does'nt do s*** either. THE HEADLIGHT ENCLOSURES, QUITE SIMPLY, SUCK. they "barf" light out of the enclosure.. HID, in order to be safe, must be FOCUSED.

you cannot focus an HID beam with a North American OEM Mazda enclosure. it cannot be retrofitted, it cannot be done. therefore, it SHOULD be illegal, and should remain such.

HID enclosures inside of HID approved headlamp enclosures are the only way to make them safe.

yes.. the ONLY way.

 

[b_real45]

Very well put. But the fact is that if those products were not sold, those situations would not occur correct? So why not ban those items?

Also,

s*** falling off of cars are considered road hazards... thats why there's a thing called "evasive manuvers" that is (barely) taught in driver's ed... they TELL you to expect s*** falling off the back of trucks

You try doing your evasive manuvers in traffic going 55-65mph with people on both sides of you in a 8 lane (4/4) highway and a car behind you. Maybe where you live everyone obeys every sentence of the traffic laws.. but here people do not stay far enough behind each other to give the other time/space to haul to a complete stop.

 

[cablemirc]

you asked us to help lift the ban, but say it's becuase
you feel it is unfair to completely ban something while leaving other things unbanned?

so if yer gunna have 1 or 1000 unsafe items still on the road, might as well let all the unsafe stuff be sold?

this thread is useless.