Heel/toe in the MSP? Maybe MP3?
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I find the pedals are great in the msp for heel/toe action .... but I have pretty big feet. I tend to put my foot in the middle of the pedals and lean it left or right, rather than actually using my heel and my toe. I was driving today in my BIG winter boots .... huge things really ..... and it was no problem, so small feet may suffer. Ask Limited Edition .... his feet were the size of my hands!!
When I test drove the wrx, I had problems with the pedals because they were too close ..... twice in the test drive, while going to do a fast shift (got to impress the dealer ... why do we do these dumb things?) I pushed the clutch and the brake at the same time with one foot. Needless to say they weren't very good shifts, but they did give the seatbelts a work out.
When I test drove the wrx, I had problems with the pedals because they were too close ..... twice in the test drive, while going to do a fast shift (got to impress the dealer ... why do we do these dumb things?) I pushed the clutch and the brake at the same time with one foot. Needless to say they weren't very good shifts, but they did give the seatbelts a work out.
I didn't have a problem heel-toeing in the P5. But it did take a while to get used to the angle your foot needs to be at to hit brake and throttle. Kinda like -- \ --
The MP3 is slightly better .. I'm sure the Mazdaspeed is better still but there are other pedal sets that should be even better for heel&toe than the Sparco ones that come with the Madaspeed.
The MP3 is slightly better .. I'm sure the Mazdaspeed is better still but there are other pedal sets that should be even better for heel&toe than the Sparco ones that come with the Madaspeed.
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dpmmsp said:Ask Limited Edition .... his feet were the size of my hands!!
dpmmsp, How would you know that your hands is as big as my feet? Unless you happen to be checking out my feet on our meet?
I've never tried heel and toe in the MSP and i usually never do it. I just blip the throttle to rev-match during most downshifts to smooth out the lowered gear. I know this way is slower, but this is how i got used to driving manual cars. Whenever i try to heel 'n toe, i have to think about it before i do, which is a lot slower than my usual 'blip' the throttle.
Heel and toe is faster if you have a lot of practice to it, but it takes a long time with a lot of practice to master this. Most people use this technique on track or race anyway. No need to take it out on the street. Just my thoughts.
Heel/toe works like this:
"The goal is to downshift without upsetting the balance of the car. ie. matching revs while downshifting.
This requires you to
1) Brake
2) Blip the throttle to match the revs of the engine so that when you are in the lower gear that the rpms are appropriate for that speed, keep in mind you are slowing down while this is happening.
3) Downshift
While braking with the toe/ball of your right foot, you shift push the clutch in. Now blip the throttle with the side of your right foot (heel, for me it is more the side of my right foot) and then slide the gear lever to the lower gear. While disengaging the clutch.
This should produce a seamless downshift, one you can do while entering a corner, or braking hard, and the car should not become unbalanced."
I borrowed this from another forum I'm on, rather than rewriting the same thing myself. Another way to think of it that makes more sense is Ball/Edge downshifting. You use the ball of your right foot on the brake, and the edge on the gas.
"The goal is to downshift without upsetting the balance of the car. ie. matching revs while downshifting.
This requires you to
1) Brake
2) Blip the throttle to match the revs of the engine so that when you are in the lower gear that the rpms are appropriate for that speed, keep in mind you are slowing down while this is happening.
3) Downshift
While braking with the toe/ball of your right foot, you shift push the clutch in. Now blip the throttle with the side of your right foot (heel, for me it is more the side of my right foot) and then slide the gear lever to the lower gear. While disengaging the clutch.
This should produce a seamless downshift, one you can do while entering a corner, or braking hard, and the car should not become unbalanced."
I borrowed this from another forum I'm on, rather than rewriting the same thing myself. Another way to think of it that makes more sense is Ball/Edge downshifting. You use the ball of your right foot on the brake, and the edge on the gas.
AutoXer .... Those feet should work ..... damn I bet you can swim(rofl)
Great explanation of the heel/toe.
A couple of years ago I had one of those "one day racing" things in an open wheeled racer ... I think a Formula Ford ... really cool. After the classroom part when we first got on the track, the first thing they did was make sure everyone could do heel/toe. I guess they didn't want their cars spinning off in the corners. They had spotters at different corners with walkie talkies and they sent you around about 20 seconds apart so they could hear if you were doing it ok.
Great explanation of the heel/toe.
A couple of years ago I had one of those "one day racing" things in an open wheeled racer ... I think a Formula Ford ... really cool. After the classroom part when we first got on the track, the first thing they did was make sure everyone could do heel/toe. I guess they didn't want their cars spinning off in the corners. They had spotters at different corners with walkie talkies and they sent you around about 20 seconds apart so they could hear if you were doing it ok.
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i have found many times the heel toe to be very difficult in the protege. it can be done, and i can attest i have done it a few times, but trying to feel the throttle is a real b****!
one more note, be careful, thats how the curb hit me.
i have found many times the heel toe to be very difficult in the protege. it can be done, and i can attest i have done it a few times, but trying to feel the throttle is a real b****!
one more note, be careful, thats how the curb hit me.
Yeah,
Heel/toe = three actions at once: clutch, brake, and throttle
Double Cltuching = two actions: clutch and throttle, blipping/rev mathcing. Start here and then move to heel/toe to increase your entering and exiting speeds to a corner without upsetting the balance of the car or at least acheive a smooth weight transistion.
Heel/toe = three actions at once: clutch, brake, and throttle
Double Cltuching = two actions: clutch and throttle, blipping/rev mathcing. Start here and then move to heel/toe to increase your entering and exiting speeds to a corner without upsetting the balance of the car or at least acheive a smooth weight transistion.
Hmm, it's always been my understanding that double clutching is a complete shift to neutral from whichever gear you're in, blipping the throttle and then a second shift from neutral to the lower gear. I thought it was done mainly in older cars, to protect the trannies/clutch assemblies.
I think what you're talking about is just rev-matching.
I think what you're talking about is just rev-matching.
Protege01MP3
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wasn't there another thread about this where every thing that was said in hear was already said??? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
