SeR_Cyclops
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well last week here in ky the heat index was 110 and temp was 103 what would you recommend? but in the winter it get down too mid 20's high teens and how much of a diff is there in throttle responce?
heat soak so bad?
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As far as a list goes...here's just the top of my head from smallest to largest (feel free to fill in the gaps, anyone):
BEGi, HiBoost, Corksport, MAM, iON, Perrin.
the BEGi, Hiboost, and Corksport are going to keep the driveability of the car very well even un-tuned. Any bigger and there will be a difference with lag, especially with the Perrin which imo is way too huge -- but that's for my car and my goals. i think the Corksport one is as close to a ''perfect size'' as one could get between great cooling and little lag, with good pipe routing. The MAM ive been told is a pita, and the iON is rare. BEGi i THINK cools really really well for it's size but i could be mistaken. discuss...
BEGi, HiBoost, Corksport, MAM, iON, Perrin.
the BEGi, Hiboost, and Corksport are going to keep the driveability of the car very well even un-tuned. Any bigger and there will be a difference with lag, especially with the Perrin which imo is way too huge -- but that's for my car and my goals. i think the Corksport one is as close to a ''perfect size'' as one could get between great cooling and little lag, with good pipe routing. The MAM ive been told is a pita, and the iON is rare. BEGi i THINK cools really really well for it's size but i could be mistaken. discuss...
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i would get in on the Corksport group buy right now. I wish i had waited another 2 months, because i would jump on that like white on rice. it's hot s***, great quality, perfect size, good pipe routing, options, easy install, great price... anyone would love that.
As far as summer/winter driving goes... you could always set your boost at 8-9 psi for summer and keep it down at 7 for winter to compensate. There will be a little bit of lag, but nothing unbearable, and probably not noticeable except at very low speed - low rpm driving.
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sorry guys, one drink too many tonight but if you can help point me in the right direction........what PG group buy are we talking about? by PG i'm assuming you're talking about protege garage....i've checked their site and their section on this thread but wasn't able to find an intercooler GB......
He might have meant corksport.. I know they are having a groupbuy on their fmic..
Wrong.
There is no more lag on a properly sized FMIC as there is on a SMIC.
How many times do people have to tell you that's not true?
How many times are you gonna tell people that the SMIC is better, while talking out of your ass?
You are misinforming people and need to stop.
Do you need to justify to yourself why you went SMIC?
I'm sorry but if you line up a car with the same mods, on the same day, with the same driver, the SMIC car is not going to win.
I have had both installed, so don't argue with me because I am speaking from actual, EXPERIENCE. Try it sometime.
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Sure it works better than stock, but he's claiming it's better than FMIC. That's just stupid.
And unless you've had a FMIC (which it doesn't look like you do) you are not speaking from EXPERIENCE.(ugh)
You can't compare the two unless you've run the two, and I have.
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Yes you can as a matter of fact and I specifically choose an smic over an fmic for my needs. I'm not trying to debate you or anyone else. Get whatever heat exchanger works for you and your application.
IMO its the factory tune more so than the intercooler that is the problem. I own two Mazda factory turbo cars and both run smic's. So I feel more than qualified to speak on the subject based on my EXPERIENCE.
Here's an article on stock smic/ upgraded smic / fmic on the same car. After reading it MAYBE you'll check your tone and think twice about calling people stupid or saying that they are ass flapping.
http://www.tyrolsport.com/sidemount.htm
IMO its the factory tune more so than the intercooler that is the problem. I own two Mazda factory turbo cars and both run smic's. So I feel more than qualified to speak on the subject based on my EXPERIENCE.
Here's an article on stock smic/ upgraded smic / fmic on the same car. After reading it MAYBE you'll check your tone and think twice about calling people stupid or saying that they are ass flapping.
http://www.tyrolsport.com/sidemount.htm
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(braindead
WTF?
You have no experience comparing a front mount to a side mount, so no, you aren't speaking from EXPERIENCE.
What the **** is so hard to understand about that?
you cannot say the side mount is better than a front mount if you haven't tried both!!!!!!! that's ******* retarded!!!!!!
easy boys.
I agree, most of the time an FMIC will be better than any type of SMIC. If you are staying close to stock or live in Antarctica then the SMIC may be better for you in some ways but you still won't be making the power that an FMIC can. I would opt for a small fmic over any sort of smic you can cram in our cars in a heartbeat.
And before anyone flames, i have the Hiboost (smaller fmic) right now and ive had the smic in the past. I have driven cars throughout their mod process with anything between the customMSP side mount to the over-the-top Perrin Front mount. I think it was KnoxJoe who said that "with a properly sized intercooler there should be no lag". Correct, I agree with this to an extent. If you're not boosting a s***-ton you don't need a huge intercooler, and if you up your psi just a bit, with our small turbos it will fill the gaps very quickly and there isn't any noticeable lag (except a little at low speed, low rpm driving where it doesn't matter anyway). Now if you slap on the Perrin to a stock MSP, it is going to run like asscrack and there will be a lot of lag, because it's improper size. Been there, done that. driveability = 0. The hiboost won't change much with the drive, and while there is 0 lag, you won't get as big numbers and i would be careful if you wanted to boost upwards of 15psi...
So it all depends on your setup. And sorry i keep using the Perrin as my large example, and Hiboost as the low... In NO means do i mean to knock either of these products, I have the hiboost and one of my good friends has the Perrin and they are GREAT products if properly setup. Either one is fantastic, so don't take my typing examples to mean negative
****And yes, that was a brain fart -- it's NOT the protege garage fmic group buy, it IS Corksport.****
*****Here's the thread: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123676839&page=9&highlight=corksport+group+buy*****
I agree, most of the time an FMIC will be better than any type of SMIC. If you are staying close to stock or live in Antarctica then the SMIC may be better for you in some ways but you still won't be making the power that an FMIC can. I would opt for a small fmic over any sort of smic you can cram in our cars in a heartbeat.
And before anyone flames, i have the Hiboost (smaller fmic) right now and ive had the smic in the past. I have driven cars throughout their mod process with anything between the customMSP side mount to the over-the-top Perrin Front mount. I think it was KnoxJoe who said that "with a properly sized intercooler there should be no lag". Correct, I agree with this to an extent. If you're not boosting a s***-ton you don't need a huge intercooler, and if you up your psi just a bit, with our small turbos it will fill the gaps very quickly and there isn't any noticeable lag (except a little at low speed, low rpm driving where it doesn't matter anyway). Now if you slap on the Perrin to a stock MSP, it is going to run like asscrack and there will be a lot of lag, because it's improper size. Been there, done that. driveability = 0. The hiboost won't change much with the drive, and while there is 0 lag, you won't get as big numbers and i would be careful if you wanted to boost upwards of 15psi...
So it all depends on your setup. And sorry i keep using the Perrin as my large example, and Hiboost as the low... In NO means do i mean to knock either of these products, I have the hiboost and one of my good friends has the Perrin and they are GREAT products if properly setup. Either one is fantastic, so don't take my typing examples to mean negative
****And yes, that was a brain fart -- it's NOT the protege garage fmic group buy, it IS Corksport.****
*****Here's the thread: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123676839&page=9&highlight=corksport+group+buy*****
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SeR_Cyclops
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OK i plan on staying at 9psi when i get supporting mods that i am working, another thing is i seen some people doing custom setups, sometimes i dont like the route and all the couplers but what if someone got the same size core as a high boost and ran the pipes similar to the same routing and took the pieces to a welding shop and got them welded, would it perform the same as a high boost? I'm just trying to get all the options here and evaluate them evenly.
You could piece together something really good for less than any pre-fab FMIC kit or SMIC w/ hard pipes.
You just need some 90's, some straights, some silicon couplers, and t-bolt clamps. Maybe a few more bends. You'll have to have a BPV flange welded on, but that's it really.
If I could do it all over that is what I'd do. Then I could route the piping to be a little cleaner, and it would be about half price.
Get you a good quality core and build a kit.
If i had to do it again, i would probably custom as well. I did not know enough about it before, but now that i see how everything goes i would definitely custom it. And i feel like it wouldn't be that bad, and could probably perform better. Cheaper too. wayyy cheaper. Also if you custom, you can easily choose whatever bov you want and get the right flange for it, AND you can relocate the maf. custom is the way to go imo.
welding is fine if that's what you want, not necessary, but it will eliminate the possibility of blowing a pipe off...which ive done numerous times. It won't perform any better really... Yes if you copied the piping route of any of the fmic's out there you will get the same results. Shorter piping = less lag, very peppy. Longer piping = (arguably) better cooling, little more lag. Piping is piping though, you can't really make ''better'' piping. Use aluminum for better heat transfer and less weight, but that's about it.
welding is fine if that's what you want, not necessary, but it will eliminate the possibility of blowing a pipe off...which ive done numerous times. It won't perform any better really... Yes if you copied the piping route of any of the fmic's out there you will get the same results. Shorter piping = less lag, very peppy. Longer piping = (arguably) better cooling, little more lag. Piping is piping though, you can't really make ''better'' piping. Use aluminum for better heat transfer and less weight, but that's about it.
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So you're bench racing?(bowdown)
I'm not the one going by "specs" and "dyno sheets", tool.(ugh)
How the hell can I be bench racin when I have actually ran both set-ups?
