Government planed a 9/11 type event, circa 1962!!!

[GrandBelialKey]

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[yashooa]

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Project paperclip was definitely not highly publicized. Also they were most definitely brought to the US. Show me where it says those Nazi scientists helped us win the moon race and cold war. Those Nazi ***** should have been tried for war crimes, not brought to the US and given security.
Millions of people died in that war and the CIA protected the people who were the major contributors to the millions of deaths, there is NO excuse for that! And you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to justify it.

Von Braun was very much in the public eye. I don't if the others were but Von Braun was quite public. The German scientists did help to build our and the Soviet's space programs. We kind of split the spoils of war with them scientist wise.

 

[anarchistchiken]

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Project paperclip was definitely not highly publicized. Also they were most definitely brought to the US. Show me where it says those Nazi scientists helped us win the moon race and cold war. Those Nazi ***** should have been tried for war crimes, not brought to the US and given security.
Millions of people died in that war and the CIA protected the people who were the major contributors to the millions of deaths, there is NO excuse for that! And you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to justify it.

Actually, if you go back and check it out, there was a lot of controversy and a lot of public outrage over the whole event. The outcry of the public inspired massive and in depth screenings for all the scientists who were brought over, and the ones who were thought to be guilty of war crimes were tried for war crimes! I can't remember his name, but there was one scientist who was one of von brauns top men who was tried and convicted after he officially became a US citizen because he wrote a memo condoning the use of jewish slave labor in the construction of the V-1 and V-2 rockets.
You're really showing your ignorance here Ian. You get pissed off and blow stuff out of proportion all the time. Even if these scientists didn't mind using slave labor, or maybe even didn't feel sympathetic to the people in the camps, it doesn't mean they were major contributors to the Haulocaust. Think about it man. There was an event called the Nuremburg Trials in which hundreds of Nazi commanders were tried and convicted of crimes against humanity. The soldiers and other minions of the Party weren't. Even the SS soldiers were allowed to live for the most part. That's because in Nazi germany you had two choices. You could join the party and say Zeig Heil! or goto the concentration camps.

You can say whatever you want, but without the help of the men we brought over after the war and the technology we siezed (thousands of V-2 rockets and vast quantity's of techincal reports and test results) we would not have beaten the russians to the moon. We probably would never have made it to the moon. The Russians would have been very far ahead of us in orbital and balistic missles, and the cold war would have perpetuated itself much longer than it did. Just stop and think about it. Calm down, dont get ragingly angry for no particular reason, and just consider the facts.

 

[Rism]

Ok so theoretically the Russians would have beaten us to the moon if these Nazi scientists didn't help us.

The US didn't know there was going to be a cold war or moon race. These Nazis were brought over right after WW2. Its just a convenient excuse to say, well they helped us beat the Russians.

Also where are the benefits of the MK-Ultra experiments the Nazis were also a part of.

 

[anarchistchiken]

Ok so theoretically the Russians would have beaten us to the moon if these Nazi scientists didn't help us.

The US didn't know there was going to be a cold war or moon race. These Nazis were brought over right after WW2 in the early 1950s. Its just a convenient excuse to say, well they helped us beat the Russians.

Also where are the benefits of the MK-Ultra experiments the Nazis were also a part of.

Well, we actually did know there was going to be a cold war. Well, at the time we thought there was going to be a war war. As soon as WWII ended, the Russians blockaded West Berlin. The arms race started before the war ended. As soon as we started siezing rockets before the Russians could get to them (they were in the Russians sector of control in East germany) the arms race had begun. The fact that we made it to the mon first is really just a side effect of the arms race. It was a devestating blow to the Soviet union as a world power because everyone respected the US just a little more. But like I said, it was really a side effect of the programs for ICBM's. Short version, the cold war was in full swing by the time we started bringing them over and putting them to work.


As far as MK-Ultra, I dont know enough about it to argue one way or another, but I dont think it directly involved these particular scientists.

 

[Rism]

I find it amazing how you can act like our govt is just doing things to help and benefit us while 3 pages back their are govt documents where the US military would carry out fake attacks on the US to gain support for wars and then actually did it! In terms of Vietnam. Not to mention the huge amount of evidence of govt complacency in 9/11.

 

[anarchistchiken]

What? What the hell does that have to do with this? I never argued about any of that. I was merely saying the Paperclip wasn't as bad as you made it out to be. I never defended the goverment, I just said that a vast vast majority of the scientists that were brought over here were not war criminals and that they helped us a lot more than they hurt anyone. Even if they had been directly resposible for the Final Solution, they probably prevented a nuclear war that would have wiped out most of the world.

I try to just let it go when you say stupid s*** like that. I try to just let it roll off my back. But when we go from discussing something you clearly dont understand as well as you think you do and jump straight back into degrading me for sticking up for the governments actions in totally seperate matters (which I never did) it just pisses me off. Are you 16 or something? You're acting like a stupid grade school kid who gets beaten in an argument and resorts to name calling, and you need to ******* grow up.

 

[anarchistchiken]

You know, I take that back. Prodigy is 16, and he is leaps and bounds more mature than you. My cousin just turned 16, and he's never resorts to name calling or pointless semantics jsut because he was proven wrong.

 

[lasermp5]

*grabs some popcorn*

 

[Rism]

You know, I take that back. Prodigy is 16, and he is leaps and bounds more mature than you. My cousin just turned 16, and he's never resorts to name calling or pointless semantics jsut because he was proven wrong.

Actually I make it a point to not flame people during a debate. Cause I especially hate it when its done to me. Please point out where I called you a name. And I wasn't proven wrong. Because it is impossible to prove that we would have lost the cold war if it weren't for Nazi scientists. Unless of course you have a time machine. Maybe after you research MK-Ultra you will look at project paperclip a lot differently.

 

[Killer]

I may be a lib, but I just don't buy into all this conspiracy talk. And in reality who really cares what happened fifty years ago. And the shear mention of a 9/11 Conspiracy makes me laugh.

I am way more worried about this idiot Bush running the country into the shitter.

 

[Pro5Monkey]

And the shear mention of a 9/11 Conspiracy makes me laugh

It made me laugh too, until I started to look at some of the videos and photos and read eyewitness accounts..... I stopped laughing.
These bastards have been doing sick s*** like this to us for years and I truely think(hope) this time they will get busted.

Eyewitness accounts of explosions: www.whatreallyhappened.com/eyewitness.html

Explosions in the sub-basement: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/281104undergroundexplosions.htm

 

[J dragon]

I may be a lib, but I just don't buy into all this conspiracy talk. And in reality who really cares what happened fifty years ago. And the shear mention of a 9/11 Conspiracy makes me laugh.

I am way more worried about this idiot Bush running the country into the shitter.

Me and you agree upon many things Killercls, but you must understand that these conspiracies are important. You must acknowledge the fact that the United States has done these Cruddy acts behind the backs of public opinion. The United States has the nerve to point fingers upon acts on terrorism, and Communism when they have commited these action against themselves....Aids in Africa, Crack in the hood, Nazi involvement, Involvement in 9/11....I don't understand how American people could sit back ignorantly like we do while this bull continues.

It's things like these that make being an american Disgraceful. I love america, but I also hate it.

 

[anarchistchiken]

Actually I didnt say you were calling names. I didn't want to type out "brings up points from earlier in the thread that I didn't say anything about" so I said name calling. You can go back and put the quoted text in the place of everywhere that I said name calling. My bad.

I never said you were proven wrong. I certainly was led to believe that you thought you were wrong, because after I brought up a number of good points, you flashed back and started accusing me of supporting the governments decisions on topics that I never even threw a word in on. When you quickly change the topic and start bashing me because of a view point i never expressed, that seems like the actions of someone who thinks they have been proven wrong.

And as far as the initial discussion goes, Paperclip was by far and away used to bring over rocket scientists. Sure there were people brought over who conducted more unsavory work, but there were a lot more americans involved in that kind of stuff than Germans.

With that said, I'm done with this thread. If you have something more you want to discuss or if you really believe and have a valid basis that anything I said has been incorrect, please PM me and we can continue this there.

 

[Rism]

I may be a lib, but I just don't buy into all this conspiracy talk. And in reality who really cares what happened fifty years ago. And the shear mention of a 9/11 Conspiracy makes me laugh.

I am way more worried about this idiot Bush running the country into the shitter.

Yea cause some people in a cave can force NORAD to stand down for 45min.
And its just one big coincidence their 4 war games drills going on that day involving hijacked planes being flown into buildings in NYC and DC. And how Larry silverstein the owner of the WTC complex admitted they blew up building 7 on 9-11 with explosives.

I mean just like I said before 3 pages back their are official govt documents about faking terror attacks blaming it on the enemy to gain support for a war. And you have the arrogance to laugh at the thought of any conspiracy surrounding 9-11.

At the very least the govt knew it was going to happen and did nothing. At the most the engineered the entire thing

 

[k-lea]

head = pain

 

[MinivanHunter]

LOL @ WhatReallyHappened

That site is good for a laugh

 

[eting_pro5]

AIDS in Africa?

 

[Pro5Monkey]

LOL @ WhatReallyHappened

That site is good for a laugh

Glad you found it amusing. There are plenty of sites that contain eyewitness testimony of explosions going off everywhere and nowhere near the impact sites. Firemen, policemen, reporters and employees. They all heard the same things.

And what's with the major explosions in the sub-basment and the molten steel found in that area 2 months later?

Check out video of WTC-7 just falling straight down. "Squibs" or something similar can be seen clearly in some of the shots.

Most of this s*** was ommited in the "Official" 9/11 report. Why?

Search through some of the sites, read some of the accounts, watch some of the video. It changed my mind.

I know the thought of our government having anything to do with this is just too much for some people to process, so they deem it impossible, and it's O.K., just let them tell you the truth it's much easier.

Y(our) opinion doesn't matter anyway (hah)

 

[MinivanHunter]

There are plenty of sites that contain eyewitness testimony of explosions going off everywhere and nowhere near the impact sites.

Oh, if there are multiple websites that say it, then it must be true. (uhm)

I love the article at WhatReallyHappened titled : At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive , they even broadcast it on the homepage, that is one of the funniest stories on that website. But I guess if other websites copy and paste that article, then plenty of websites will contain that article and it will automatically become the truth. (boom07)