Given up, let mazda know!

That's pretty bad when american won't buy american. I have nothing against anyone. We're all people, if you ask me, all general cars from most companies are basically the same quality. Some models just don't have good runs. Until you start hitting the $30,000 and up cars I really don't think it matters what brand you buy. They're all made as cheaply and as profitably as possible.
 
I'm with you too Prophet. I live and die by customer service every day. This is just poor customer service, plain and simple. Yes Mazda will sell all of these cars but perhaps will lose many future sales. Word of mouth is a killer, and like you said FoMoCo doesn't like to lose even one sale.
03 Sentra SER Spec V
Sunburst Yellow
no mods "YET"
Not a MazdaSpeed Protege
 
Honestly I do not know how you guys think that 4 or 5 people giving up on the MSP is going to translate into hundreds or thousands of people not buying the MSP, or from Mazda for that matter. I agree with big_ben. Its just not realistic. You are the minority...

You people seem to fail to realize that all companies have delays in their vehicles. I dont know how many times I've heard the STi would be here this year. You don't see lots of people refusing to buy Subarus. The Spec V came out 2-3 months late, last year, and look, they sold quite well.

Obviously I'm not going to convince you that you are not making a difference, and you are not going to convince me that I am completely wrong. So I don't even know why I responded :D. Enjoy your car, and I know somebody will definitely enjoy what was supposed to be your MSP. That new owner will tell their friends that Mazda is the s***, and their friends will tell their friends the same, thus cancelling out the people that you told Mazda sucks, and the world will be a happy place :D.

Chris
 
whoa whoa now prophet you are gonna s*** on mazda cuz you couldnt wait for it? what does mazda have to do anything with ford recalling the Focii, or the cobra mustang or whatever. ford only owns 33% of mazda, and 97% of the parts for the protege come from japan. how does this relate to ford in anyways?

do you just need more reason to justify your purchase or what?
 
big_ben said:

Been there, done that. And you are still way off.

Trty finding out some facts before you vomit out bad info. Mazda is not owned by Ford. Ford owns 33% of the stock in Mazda. Let me help you out.

51% is a majority of the stock
33% is less than 51%

Ford only has some input on what Mazda does. Ford relies on Mazda to design their compact car motors. So all the motor design is done by Mazda, not Ford.

As for buying certain manufacturers cars. I understand that. I will never buy anything American unless it is a Caddy, or a Corvette. Maybe a Hummer. I will always buy asian or European. But as for the manufacturer, it doesn't matter to me. Except for Suzuki, Haundai, Kia, etc.

that's american laws...In japan (which where the Mazda company is obviously based on) 31% is enough to make controlling decisions on a company. Don't ask why that is...obviously if someone has 51% and someone else has 33% the guy with 51% will have more say...but according to japanese laws...Ford OWNS Mazda, simple plain and easy.
 
Daemos said:


that's american laws...In japan (which where the Mazda company is obviously based on) 31% is enough to make controlling decisions on a company. Don't ask why that is...obviously if someone has 51% and someone else has 33% the guy with 51% will have more say...but according to japanese laws...Ford OWNS Mazda, simple plain and easy.


where are you pulling this from? i think the definition of the word "majority" is universal.
 
It's japanese law that if a company owns like 31% of a company they have a controlling power of the companies.
 
I'm close to giving up too... I tested SER-V and RSX-S today and liked later one a lot.

And people that say that few of us that may give up do not matter are wrong. This forum represent probably only around 1-2% of future owners of MSP (by the count in another tread around 25 vehicles). How many more from the silent majority (that do not know about this site) is going through the same decision making process?

You may be looking at few hundreds of lost sales. Now, considering limited run of MSP, Mazda will sell them all, but people that are lost to competition may be lost forever... And some of their friends. Two of my friends, car enthusiast, know everything about supposed "delivery" of my MSP.

Go easy on my spelling, English is not my primary language :)
 
Come on guys, I think Ben is just being realistic. Despite there is only 2000 MSP, how is this figure compare to the Mazda whole sells??? And why should they care when this car is selling well???
I am a happy owner of the MP3, it is a great car with the money I paid. So imagine the number of people who will happy with the MSP compare to the few of you who are disappointed? Again, why should they care???
I heard 1,329,412 people said about Focus sucks this and sucks that. But it is selling good still.
My point is, they simply wont care, because Mazda is a large cooperation. There is no possible way they could fulfill every individual. Why dont you guys just live with it? This is what business like. Be real.
 
Ok so there needs to be some clarification here...

Ford owns 33% of Mazda, which in Japan means they have a controlling interest. A "controlling interest" does not mean they "own" them. It means they have a say it what goes on at Mazda, that is it. Ownership implies they tell Mazda what to do, and that simply doesn't happen. Ford bought into Mazda to save it, Ford has not told Mazda what to do. Mazda knew what needed to be done they just needed the money to do it. So do have Ford to thank today for Mazda still being a great company, yes. Do have Ford to thank for a number of cars that Mazda makes. NO!

As for the Mazdaspeed Protege, or any Protege for that matter being associated as a Ford product is entirely wrong. Every Protege from its inception in 1990 to take over from the 323 sedan until the next generation Protege (Mazda 3, whatever it is called) is entirely Mazda's design, drive train, etc...Ford had nothing to do with it.

Now, as for waiting for the Mazdaspeed, it simply shows people's impatience for a car. The car is marketed for 25-35 year-olds. Typically, this market has some patience and recognizes a quality car when they see it. And willing to wait to get said vehicle.

I can understand that people don't want to wait any longer for this car. I can understand that people bought something else because they didn't want to wait any longer. I can understand that people are angry with Mazda because of the lack of information regarding why it is taking so long.

People pulling out from buying an MSP now does send a message. It shows that Mazda should have chosen a better company than Calloway to develop the turbo. However, that would have probably sent them to a smaller manufacturer that couldn't have met the time tables Mazda was pushing to have the car done in.

From what I understand, part of the problem is with some parts dealing with the turbo kit needed to be replaced (pipes I believe). That has caused the delay in shipping cars to the dealers. And since Calloway is located somewhere on the east coast, that means the west coast is going to have a slightly longer wait. Is this dissappointing, yes.

What does this mean?? It means Mazda NA is not happy with Calloway right now.

What does this mean?? It means the Mazdaspeed Miata is going to be a ways off while Mazda tries to figure out who can build a good turbo kit in a fast time frame that will put the cars into dealerships on time.

And, last but not least, the Mazdaspeed protege is not "down on power"...The MP3 is down on power for the chassis. The MSP is the best balance of power and chassis the US has seen in a Mazda since the RX-7. The MSP is running 9 psi for crying out loud, and is putting some 150 horses to the ground, all on the stock FS motor (as far I know, or have seen)...

Down on power it is not. Drive it first, then say.

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Sorry about the length, but it pisses me off when people start bashing a car they have never driven, and say Ford is a Mazda or vice versa.
 
Dexter said:
nice post, Stutters.

but i thought it was 6.9~7 PSI the MSP is running ?

Nope, it is supposed to be running 9 psi...Tech manuals say so.
 
Dexter said:


...which tech manuals??? these tech manuals have wiring diagrams? do you have them?

A guy I know has seen the manuals and other literature from Mazda for the car.

If you need a wiring diagram you can get that from the dealer now. It'll cover the 2002 Protege, which will cover just about every 2001 Protege as well as 2003. As far as wiring diagrmas go specifically for the Mazdaspeed Protege, not a chance. Mazda won't put out a special book just the MSP. They didn't do it for the MP3.

And, no, sorry I don't have them...
 
StuttersC said:


A guy I know has seen the manuals and other literature from Mazda for the car.

If you need a wiring diagram you can get that from the dealer now. It'll cover the 2002 Protege, which will cover just about every 2001 Protege as well as 2003. As far as wiring diagrmas go specifically for the Mazdaspeed Protege, not a chance. Mazda won't put out a special book just the MSP. They didn't do it for the MP3.

And, no, sorry I don't have them...

as far as the PSI issue, i read that it was 6.9 from Car and Driver.. :confused:
Originally posted by Car and Driver Magazine
By limiting boost to a maximum of 6.9 psi, Callaway and Mazda were able to avoid making changes to the engine's internals, although a new catalytic converter was required.

and i figured that about the wiring diagrams. i just wanna have em all so i can install a turbo timer and other related electrical toys :D
 
Dexter said:


as far as the PSI issue, i read that it was 6.9 from Car and Driver.. :confused:

That's what I had heard originally too. But I got smacked with the nine number not to long ago.


and i figured that about the wiring diagrams. i just wanna have em all so i can install a turbo timer and other related electrical toys :D

I've heard that it isn't possible to mess with the turbo or the waste gate actuator or anything else like that...
 
StuttersC said:



I've heard that it isn't possible to mess with the turbo or the waste gate actuator or anything else like that...

a turbo timer just hooks up into the ignition system (i belive, not sure what electrical system exactly) to keep the car running after you take the key out for a specified amount of time, to let the oil continue to run and cool stuff off. i dont believe there is any physical connection between a turbo timer and the turbo itself.
 
Blizzard is the developer for the computer games, Starcraft, Diablo II and Warcraft III. All these games came out later than original release date, but all still sold out quickly. I didn't like the "announce it but not release it" dates back then, but I still bought the games when it finally came out.

Just like there are still MP3 buyers out there TODAY, I'm sure there will be Mazdaspeed buyers out there tomorrow with or without your pre-release deposits.

As far as I know, Mazdaspeed has not sold out right now, based on what the local dealers here are saying... they barely have advance deposits on 1/4 of all the Mazdaspeeds they will be receiving.

If Mazda releases the Mazdaspeed in January, then people who are looking to buy a car in January will have a chance to look at it.

I agree though, it is BAAAAD customer service. Had I been on the same boat as all you Mazdaspeed wannabes, then I would probably be just as upset about this entire thing.

Yeap, take your business elsewhere, because it isn't worth getting upset like this for just a car. Especially when there are many cars out there that are comparable or better than the Mazdaspeed. Good luck.
 
yeah...the 150 horses to the ground is great and all....but they had to use a turbo to get it....don't get me wrong....i love the MSP and am patiently waiting for mine....but the FS-ZE engine puts out 170 at the crank....same as MSP....without turbocharging.....granted.....it does have a high compression ratio so it wouldn't take to a turbo very well...but.....and about the 9psi....from what i hear....the car is set at 6.9 and is capable of handling 9 without doing anything to the engine internals....past that would destroy the engine....just my $.02
 

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