Gi: Downpipe Or Ems

[jestermsp]

i am trying to see if there is any interest to begin production on aftermarket parts for the cx7. i am in contact with cp-e currently to begin production of a limited run of a down pipe or some ems but they need a concrete list of those willing to lay down the cash. all those interested please start a list. the cx7 is sloooww. at very least we need ems to increase fuel milage and get the damn thing to run right. put your name and product you would be willing to purchase. i'll start:

1. jestermsp: downpipe, catback, and ems

 

[SuperStretch18]

Will be getting the CAI shortly. Would also be interested in the downpipe. What are we looking at for the ems? I would be interested, but don't have a G to drop right now...

 

[9Hooker]

downpipe, I'm in 100%

and what type of ems programs are we talking? plug and play or user adjustable?

 

[Dklozik]

im in for the downpipe and ems immediately, but we'll see if anything ever comes available.

 

[03.5speed]

downpipe yes...ems possibly

 

[Mazda3]

CAI and downpipe. Not sure about the EMS.

 

[otnielarencibia]

CAI downpipe ems no $ right now....but I seriously am interested.

 

[AWmustang]

The EMS means computer tune correct?

 

[www.cp-e.com]

Hey guys, I just wanted to step in here to clarify a few things.

We're excited about producing parts for the CX7 market, but we can't take chances with this vehicle like big name companies can. We tried with our XCel intake, but we've only recently just covered our development costs, so as of today we've made no money on all our hard work we put forth in creating that product. This has turned out to be a very risky market for us, so we have to be very careful being the small company we are.

So if we're going to be producing anymore parts for this car, then we're going to require enough pre-orders to cover our development costs. It's easy to say on a messageboard, "Yeah, I'm interested" and then back out when it comes time to pay for the product. So if anyone is interested in a particular product, then everyone needs to FIRST decide which product they want. If you can come to some agreement, we'll consider it and start taking pre-orders. We would need about 20-25 pre-orders depending on the product, and we'll likely require about $100 up front to cover our costs.

So go ahead and start an informal list here, but if you guys come up with a product that 20-25 people are willing to put down $100 up front for, then we'll very seriously consider it. I will come back to this thread frequently, so if you have questions about the logistics behind our offer, please post them up. For whatever its worth, we would consider an FMIC kit, turbo back exhaust, piggyback engine management, or an exhaust manifold.

Either way, thanks for the interest in our company guys! (rockon)


Jordan

 

[9Hooker]

Jordan,

How long will our $100+ be in "escrow" provided enough people plop down the dough? I'm 100% into a downpipe. What will the final price be?

I'm sure you would work on a solution containing either a high flow cat for the conservative or some way to resolve a CEL for faulty O2 sensor should that pop up.

 

[www.cp-e.com]

Jordan,

How long will our $100+ be in "escrow" provided enough people plop down the dough? I'm 100% into a downpipe. What will the final price be?

I'm sure you would work on a solution containing either a high flow cat for the conservative or some way to resolve a CEL for faulty O2 sensor should that pop up.

Good questions.

The $100 required up front will be put towards our development costs (primarily materials and labor) and will be subtracted from the final price of the downpipe. Since we haven't begun development yet, we haven't a clue as to how much this downpipe will cost as we have to figure out what type of flanges are needed, how much stainless is required, which cats will fit, how many hangers or flex pipes we'll need, etc. But, if you would like a ballpark estimate, it will be around the price of our SPEED3/6 downpipes, which are between $500-$600. Of course we will give a final price before any money is collected so the end users know exactly what they're getting into. But, we need to know that the demand exists before we start doing any work.

As far as adding a cat or not, we will absolutely offer that option, as the downpipe will set a CEL without one. However, we are nearing completion of our Smart O2 Sim, which is a universal emissions related CEL eliminator (and it works 100% of the time on these Mazda vehicles). Like our Standback piggyback, the Smart O2 Sim intercepts O2 sensor signals and conditions them to look like a cat is between the two sensors (signal amplitude on the second sensor is reduced). So if you wanted, you could skip the cat for maximum power gains and just use our Smart O2 Sim.

Development and production should be relatively quick as well since we now have a brand new NC mandrel bender in house, and we've set up robots that help us deburr and plasma cut pipes. As a "for instance," we finished our turbo back exhaust for the SPEED3 in two weeks, and that was while we were still learning how to use the new equipment. So I think we could finish the development of the downpipe in a similar amount of time.

Here are pictures of our SPEED3/6 downpipes:

SPEED3 (SPEED3 dyno reflects gains of downpipe AND catback combined):

SPEED6:

If you've got questions, please post them up!


Jordan

 

[9Hooker]

I know you've been getting a lot of word out on this site... but any interest in getting a piece done in one of the sport compact magazines? I barely found this site and I TRIED to find it.

 

[SuperStretch18]

Not sure if I am looking at the dyno sheets correctly, but is that a 30hp bump on the speed6? Even the 20hp gain on the speed3 is no slouch! It would remain to be seen if the CX had as much of a bottleneck in its exhaust, but I say it is likely! Where do I sign?

 

[www.cp-e.com]

I know you've been getting a lot of word out on this site... but any interest in getting a piece done in one of the sport compact magazines? I barely found this site and I TRIED to find it.

I think we're on the same wavelength here because I agree that we definitely need more exposure than just the few websites that we sponsor. One of our products is being featured in a four wheeling magazine this month, but have yet to get any of our Mazda products in any monthly publications. I'm hoping that will change in the near term.

Not sure if I am looking at the dyno sheets correctly, but is that a 30hp bump on the speed6? Even the 20hp gain on the speed3 is no slouch! It would remain to be seen if the CX had as much of a bottleneck in its exhaust, but I say it is likely! Where do I sign?

I think the OP had a good idea in starting a list that people can add their names to. If you're interested, add your name to the list. Once we get 20-25 interested people, we'll ask that everyone call us and we'll work out the details over the phone. I'll then come back here and post all the pertinent information for everybody, so there is less chance of a miscommunication.

So, if you don't mind, copy Jester's list and add yourself to it. (drinks)


Jordan

 

[jestermsp]

i would be willing to front $100 for any exhaust product and more if needed for ems the black bumper we get is more than enough to let us know we need a good tune this thing is pig rich. when i tuned my msp my i gained 9 mpg at todays gas prices thats enough to pay for the ems in saved gas!

 

[www.cp-e.com]

i would be willing to front $100 for any exhaust product and more if needed for ems the black bumper we get is more than enough to let us know we need a good tune this thing is pig rich. when i tuned my msp my i gained 9 mpg at todays gas prices thats enough to pay for the ems in saved gas!

The company owners and I discussed this issue this afternoon and it sounds like doing an EMS would be easier than the downpipe. I'll have to check with our resident EE, but I think our piggyback will work for the SPEED3/6 and the CX7. The difference is in how the piggyback is wired into the car. I'll have to do a little more digging for more info. I'll be back with more info for you guys.


Jordan

 

[jestermsp]

super worst case senario i can get a downpipe fabbed up as far as ems i think ur my only hope. lol

 

[Gray Ghost]

Good questions.

The $100 required up front will be put towards our development costs (primarily materials and labor) and will be subtracted from the final price of the downpipe. Since we haven't begun development yet, we haven't a clue as to how much this downpipe will cost as we have to figure out what type of flanges are needed, how much stainless is required, which cats will fit, how many hangers or flex pipes we'll need, etc. But, if you would like a ballpark estimate, it will be around the price of our SPEED3/6 downpipes, which are between $500-$600. Of course we will give a final price before any money is collected so the end users know exactly what they're getting into. But, we need to know that the demand exists before we start doing any work.

As far as adding a cat or not, we will absolutely offer that option, as the downpipe will set a CEL without one. However, we are nearing completion of our Smart O2 Sim, which is a universal emissions related CEL eliminator (and it works 100% of the time on these Mazda vehicles). Like our Standback piggyback, the Smart O2 Sim intercepts O2 sensor signals and conditions them to look like a cat is between the two sensors (signal amplitude on the second sensor is reduced). So if you wanted, you could skip the cat for maximum power gains and just use our Smart O2 Sim.

Development and production should be relatively quick as well since we now have a brand new NC mandrel bender in house, and we've set up robots that help us deburr and plasma cut pipes. As a "for instance," we finished our turbo back exhaust for the SPEED3 in two weeks, and that was while we were still learning how to use the new equipment. So I think we could finish the development of the downpipe in a similar amount of time.

Here are pictures of our SPEED3/6 downpipes:

SPEED3 (SPEED3 dyno reflects gains of downpipe AND catback combined):

SPEED6:

If you've got questions, please post them up!


Jordan

I'm in. Let me know when you start collecting money. Can my Mazda dealer install the downpipe and the Smart O2 Sim or Cat, or will I have to find some kind of speed shop to do the work? Also, if the downpipe is going to set off the CEL without the Smart O2 Sim or the Cat, will they all be ready together and about how much will the Sim and Cat cost? It dosn't make sense to purchase only half of the parts needed to get the job done.

 

[9Hooker]

Can my Mazda dealer install the downpipe and the Smart O2 Sim or Cat, or will I have to find some kind of speed shop to do the work?

I can already tell you they won't, and it most likely will violate a portion of your warranty. Probably all of your engine involved parts. If you throw a rod or throw the timing belt/chain they will find a way to make the downpipe/cat the cause of the problem.

And if you are removing a cat and using the smart sim you are violating a number of federal laws. They should be labeled as "offroad use only". That's in your hands. Kinda like smoking. It's gonna kill you eventually but you gotta make that decision for yourself

BEWARE, aftermarket parts are not looked favorably upon by manufacturers.

 

[spike blue]

add me to the list!!!