Getting a 1988 Mazda 323 GTX

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Mazdaspeed Protege
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/2685644815.html
So im planning on picking this car up would like to get a little more knowledge of what there for the car
i seen some upgrades mostly suspension i wanna know everything like turbo/intake mani/turbo mani/exhaust/ intake etc whats out there.
For sure i wanna upgrade the turbo, turbo mani, intake mani, intake, exhaust, intercooler, tuning, ignition and suspension please share all ur knowledge and where r the best place to get these parts thanks
 
Cool find and a legend in my mind! (2thumbs)

There are a few GTX owners in this Community...Try searching and posting in our Protege-Based forums, post a link to this thread so we can get some more 323 love in here...Thanks and I'm looking forward to your updates! :D
 
will do check everything i can

So im going to be buying a gt25r from a msp local and want get a custom set up built around that any ideas
 
Not easily, but atleast one guy did it on ClubProtege.com . You might have more luck with info/help on there than here, there are more BF 323 guys on there.
 
what about building a custom setup for a gt25r im sure that should a nice turbo for the 1.6 at 12 psi
 
well... I think I might be "a little" qualified to help... EDITING for GTX not GT right now


1. ECU: The stock ECU is pretty much done by 12psi. It can be remapped, you have to send it to those who can remap it. Turn around time couple-3 days... now you can go up to 16psi with proper fuel and timing maps.

2. Turbo: the stock VJ14 is a nice lil, conservative turbo. the first up grade is to the Mazda 626 VJ11, which is a bolt on, slightly laggy down low, but much better up high. Also the 626GT can donate a significant stock IC upgrade over the tiny 323gt Ic. Lastly, Dallas Turbo does a really nice hybrid VJ with a combination of Vj11, VJ11, and Thunderbird Turbo coupe turbos into one nice flowing package. We harder-core 323 GT/GTX owners have tried and tried to get compressor maps for the VJ's and simply the maps arent out there. The 1.6 likes boost, was purpose built for boost with oil squirters for the piston skirts, gallaeries made for external oiling for the turbo. Beefy con-rods in the GT/GTX are a lil heavy but VERY hard to hurt.

3. Manifolds:

* intake: not much out there. some have tried Miata and Kia cars with the NA DOHC but nothing to be gained really. The stocker is surprisingly well matched for the 1.6 DOHC the EDM intake is often sought after, but requires alot of changes to work for a very small gain.

* Cold Air intakes: The B6T 1.6 DOHC uses the VAF, Vane Airflow Meter. its not easily replaced or tuned. As long as your ECY is Mapped properly the flow through the VAF is actually not a restriction. an off the shelf Spectre adapter ($13) and then a 3" diam piece 90* steel exhaust elbow will get a good filter out of the engine compartment and into the inner fender for cold air but high enough and away from water.

* Exhaust manifolds: the stocker is prone to cracking on the bridge reinforcement between cylinders 2 & 3. It can be welded or replaced, Mazda still stocks the Manifold for about $210. The stocker will hold all of the VF-platform turbos, including the hybrids. For bigger turbo conversions the Log style is the easy starting point. After that, there are a few places making 1.6 Mazda DOHC ram-horn styles, mainly for the Miata crowd. they can work on the FWD applications. but you really need the turbo up higher for oiling. I prefer the log-style. http://jgsturbo.com/ is where I got mine.

4. Exhaust: 2.5-3" down pipe is easily fabbed. the exhaust is a straight shot down the trans tunnel. then you have (2) 90* bends and a lil tight section going over the rear suspension. Mine in the 323GT is all Magnaflow. 2.5" down pipe, hiflow cat, 4" diam x 26" long resonator, then a 4"x9" turbo style muffler just before the rear suspension. sounds perfect. the Hatch GTX will have the DP a mid-resonator then a REAR mounted muffler at the rear bumper instead of a tail pipe like the GT.

5. suspension: this is where things get tricky.
* struts: there are options like koni adjustable inserts into the stock Gt or GTX housings. Also the older Tokico Illumina adjustable inserts can be done.

* Bushings: Pedders have the entire front end in urethane in their catalog since the BF chassis is so wildly popular in Australia. Cork Sport can get them for you. Rear ios a bigger challenge. Nothing is available. What I have done is a 3-prong attack.

A. take the stock "C" shaped trailing arms and lateral links and boxed them with 1/8" steel.

B. Ordered off the shelf bushings from Energy suspension. Then had to turn down the outside diameter on some of the bushing location, drill out the ID on some and finally cut off the shelf bushing sleeves down for length.

C. Lastly the body side trailing arm mounting bolt is one size smaller than the lateral link bolts. so I drilled out the body mount to the same size, converted the entire rear suspension to SAE (easier to find Grade 8) and upgraded all the bolts. The GT has non-adjustable lateral links the GTX (AWD Hatch) has adjustable links that can be used. however not really necessary and VERY hard to find unabused.

D. on the lateral and trailing arms there is also the option of making full tubular arms with sperical rod ends for the ultimate rear set up. I will try to find the link to the build up I used for the set I made.

* sway bars: nothing for the GTX but yes for the 323gt.

6. Brakes: This is the area needing the most attention.

* the stock set up the disc is bolted to the REAR of the front hub, meaning you have to take it all down, press the hub out, then rebuild it all. The vented fronts are tiny and warp VERY easily in regular commuting-type driving, let alone spirited driving.

* solution is what is commonly called the " Galant brake upgrade" using non-turbo 91-94 galant front rotors, 91-95 Escort Calipers, and off the shelf s/s lines, its a billion times better than stock. To dial it in fully a Mazda 929 non-ABS brake booster and MC make it feel OE and stop like nothing your felt.

* the rear discs are fine. just use good pads.

7. Wheels/Tires: this is tricky. stock are 14x6's with 185/65-14" wheels. tires choices in 14-16 are getting tough to get a GOOD performance tire. Most guys stick to 16". 17"s can be done but you get VERY close tot he strut's lower spring perch. so then you have to fight offset/backspacing versus moving the wheel too far out into the wheel opening of the body. Personally I think 16" looks best for the body size/style. 15" works very well and if you can find tires, they are usually dirt cheap.

8. Transmission: ITS fragile. Period end of story. other than a full on Rally gear box. You're stuck. clutch actuation is hydraulic and definitely can use a s/s line to the slave cylinder. Cluthces are available in all stages. I personally prefer the Centerforce Dual Friction. Many love the ACT.

9. Interior: the dash cluster is either digital and VERY temperamental or analog (much better ans surprisingly accurate). GTX's seats are great. Most all modified GT/GTX's you see have some sort of seat upgrade. I personally like the i90's Nissan Pulsar NX seats. This was that car Nissan did that had the inter-changable rear hatch to be a coupe, wagon, or fastback. they are all over the salvage yards.

10. Body:

* aftermarket reproductions of the front fenders and hood are a click away on ebay for cheap.

* Front bumpers: the BG (91-94 323/protege') will fit with a lil tweaking and a lil moulding addition. I ahve the JDM 323GTX bumper on mine. Also the Isuzu I-mark bumper is a popular swap. the stock front bumper just looks like a stuck on afterthought. you will have to figure out how you want to handle the running lights in the OE bumper with any of these swaps. Most people convert the outside corner lights to both turn signals and running lights.

* Rear bumpers: nothing. Occasionally a remanufactured one will pop up on Ebay.

* Body Kits: Eubrini (sp) makes a full kit that supposedly fits the sedan (since they made a 4-door + hatch, 5-door version in the UK and Aust.) i ahve not looked into it.

* Spoilers: Front lower: Chevy s-10 from the mid 90's fits with a lil tweak, also the 89-90-ish 626 lower air dam fits with trimming. Rear
That should cover most of the basics. stock had the bi-level spoiler set.

Ask me anything you like. I prob have either done it or had it happen... LOL.

Rob
 
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vendors:

Flying Miata :http://www.flyinmiata.com/ 90-92 MX-5's were NA 1.6 DOHC's so lots of engine parts there including head and main studs

Cork Sport: www.corksport.com Derrick and his crew can help with pretty much anything you need. I don't think he is stocking much anymore, but knows where to get it.

Road Race engineering: http://roadraceengineering.com used to have a good supply of new and used parts.

Yahoo Groups: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/323gtx/ and /323gtx2 are on going archives of ALL kinds of useable info for your 323gt. Join this group if for nothing more than the archives, links, documents and photo's.

The original "master forum" was Mazda323performance.com but it lost its hosting and main person so that nearly 7 years of information is lost.

Don't forget that the 91-95 Mercury Capri XR2 was essentially a 2-dr Convertible BF chassis. Everything is identical to the 323gt except the ECU is different and so is the wiring. totally useable, but ECU and wiring must stay together.

Rob
 
within the BF family some important chassis differences are worth noting.

1. The base 323se vs GT sedan vs GTX hatch: the front steering knuckle/hub assemblies are different. The steering arms are three different lengths, and the GT/GTX brake caliper mount is further out from the center line of the spindle. The Capri 91-94 uses a 323GT spindle.

2. Gas tank: GTX uses a dual sump tank to accommodate the drive shaft. the base 323 & 323 gt use a single sump tank.

3. the rear frame ans floor of the GTX is unique to the AWD GTX. as are the Rear struts, upper strut mounts and all the trailing & lateral arms of the rear suspension.

Rob
 
5. suspension: this is where things get tricky.
* struts: there are options like koni adjustable inserts into the stock Gt or GTX housings. Also the older Tokico Illumina adjustable inserts can be done.

My GT has a blown right rear strut, and no stock GT struts are available from Mazda, only 1 left rear GT-X strut is new old stock in Mazda parts in the US...

Where can I get the inserts?

Also, for interior since I did a fair amount with my old '88 SE hatch, should be noted that '92-'93 MX-3 'Recaro style' seats BOLT IN to BF 323s using the stock BF rails. The inner rail needs to be spaced up between the rail and the seat frame a distance I never measured but 4 strut top nuts worked great. Used KL throttle body bolts, 2 per KL, which are the right length.

Tracers had nicer interiors as well, hard to find though. Door panels(might be extremely hard to find power window panels) and rear panels swap over, rear panels need the Tracer rear seats, which are neato angle-adjustable, and eerily similar cloth to that of the '92-'94 Protege LX, 1st gen MPV, '88-'92 626, etc.

323 'leather' shift boot is easy to install, as is a 626 or Millenia 'leather' parking brake boot. FB RX-7 steering wheels are a direct swap and the horn will work too. 4 spoke '79-'82 and 3 spoke '83-'85. I have the 4 spoke in my GT, but the guy I sold my hatch to broke the horn pad before giving the wheel back to me.

Here's my hatch's interior:
323tracerpanels2yz7.jpg


S4 FC spares are Enkei alloys, 4X114.3 as the BF, lighter/nicer too.
 
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would the par gears made for the msp fit the trans of the 323.... is there any issue with the 4wd system
 
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