Gas mileage down in winter?

Jond63

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2012 Mazda 2 Touring Liquid Silver
Anyone else notice a drop in gas mileage this winter? I got new wheels and tires around the same time I noticed it start dropping for me in October, but it's been going down steadily ever since. With stock rims and tires I was seeing just over 31mpg in the city, but the last tank was just under 24! I have been having to run A/C more to cut down on condensation, and a few mornings prolonged warmup while I scrape the ice off, but I'm wondering how much the cold weather and winter gas contribute ~ I figured maybe 5-10% loss to wheels/tires, but would winter gas and cold weather contribute that much more?

I did go with 205/50/15 RE-11s, so maybe they just have that much more rolling resistance? Amazing traction in the rain though!
 
Winter gas usually is the biggest reason. Here in Kansas, they start switching over around October, I think. Every car I've ever had usually drops 2-3mpg when winter gas is used. I won't go into the difference between winter and summer mix gases, but I think it's mostly changes to prevent freezing and what not. But 24-31mpg? do you drive hard or something? I've never seen less than 32mpg and that was on a highway trip at 80mph into a head wind. I normally see 36-39mpg
 
i've dropped about 4mpg.. found this info:::

9 reasons your winter fuel economy bites

1. More idling

Even in the coldest weather, you can begin driving after 30 seconds from a cold start - keep speeds low/moderate and use gentle acceleration until the temperature gauge starts to climb (source).

2. Low tire pressure

3. Increased rolling resistance

Even if you're completely attentive to proper tire pressure, cold ambient temperatures will still cause your tires to return worse mileage. That's because a tire's shape isn't completely round - the sidewall bulges out at the bottom, and where the tread meets the road the small contact patch is actually flat. As the tire rotates, it constantly deforms to this shape, and this deformation requires more energy when the rubber is cold and hard. Rolling resistance at 0 degrees F is 20% greater than at 80 degrees (source 1, source 2).

4. Crappy road conditions

It's increased rolling resistance of another kind: driving through slush and snow. And then there's its wasteful polar (no pun intended) opposite: no friction at all! (A.K.A. wheelspin on ice.)

5. Lower average engine temperature

In the winter, an engine takes longer to reach operating temperature and cools off faster when shut off. Since the engine management system orders up a richer mixture when cold (proportionately more fuel in the air/fuel combination), more fuel is being burned overall.

A block heater can offset this problem (improving fuel economy by 10% in sub-zero conditions - source), as can garage parking, and combining trips (to minimize the number of cold/hot cycles).

Also related...

6. Higher average lubricant viscosity

Engine oil thickens as it cools. So does transmission and differential fluids and even bearing grease. Significantly more energy is needed to overcome the added drag these cold lubricants cause.

Using synthetic fluids can address this problem, since their viscosity changes less at extreme temperatures than traditional mineral fluids.

7. Weaker gasoline

Gasoline doesn't vaporize readily at very cold temperatures. So oil companies formulate fuel differently for cold-weather markets in the winter. Unfortunately, the changes that provide better cold vaporization characteristics also result in less available energy for combustion. You won't get as far on a liter of winter gas as you will on a liter of summer gas. (Source.)

8. Higher electrical loads

In colder temps, you use electrical accessories more often:

- lights (in higher lattitudes it's darker in the winter)
- rear window defroster (because it's easier than using the ice scraper, right?)
- heater blower motor (I don't have a/c, so this isn't balanced out during warm conditions); heated seats/mirrors
- windshield washer pump (because it's easier than using the ice scraper, right? And for frequently cleaning off dirty road spray.)

9. More aerodynamic drag

A vehicles aerodynamic drag is proportional to air density, and the density increases as temperature drops. For every 10 degree F drop in temperature, aerodynamic drag increases by 2% (source).
 
Good posting ^

Never thought about increased wind resistance when it's cold. Great point.
 
Yep, I'm seeing it too. Usually get 40mpg during the summer, been seeing about 37-38 this winter. I've dipped as low as 35 when it's consistently really cold, like below 20 degrees.
 
Man, I average 31-32 year-round. I don't even know how you guys manage to get in the high-30s, I can only manage to get 37 or so if I drive on nothing but freeways and average 65mph everywhere.
 
Another big factor is literally the cold air. Cold air is denser than warm air.. denser air means more air (essentially.. in this case).. more air means more fuel.. now you're using more fuel. I've lost almost no fuel economy.. Like .1-.2 L/100km (for all the Canadias). I guess I'm gangster..

Man, I average 31-32 year-round. I don't even know how you guys manage to get in the high-30s, I can only manage to get 37 or so if I drive on nothing but freeways and average 65mph everywhere.

Same. Seriously..
 
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Man, I average 31-32 year-round. I don't even know how you guys manage to get in the high-30s, I can only manage to get 37 or so if I drive on nothing but freeways and average 65mph everywhere.

My driving is probably 95% or better on highways that are 60 and 65mph speed limits. The best I've seen is 40mpg and usually see 36-38 on average.
 
I'm guessing you don't live in the most densly populated of areas? Or at least, you don't work in such. I'm almost exclusively on streets rather than highways, hence why my fuel mileage isn't as great as others.
 
Thanks -- That's good info about denser air = more wind resistance, and colder tires harder to conform to shape. And yeah, my daily commute is 50% stop and go with hardly any freeway, so when I do get some open road I tend to lead foot it a bit.
 
CRG, I'm by no means in a HUGE city, but I'm not in the sticks either. Luckily, I live a mile from the highway and my job is right off the highway. It's about 12 miles each way and 10.5-11 miles of that is all highway. I'm still trying to figure out how some get 40+ on a regular basis. I think I've hit 40 once or twice in the 14 months I've had the 2
 
Yeah fair enough.. that's what I figured anyway, although maybe wasn't worded properly on my part.

The people who get 40+, definitely live in the sticks ;)... or hyper mile like a boss.
 
My commute sucks because Sacramento can't figure out how to do street lights. Seriously, they time them so when driving down a main street, you have to stop at every single light and wait through a whole cycle. Kills economy really badly. I think they do it on purpose to keep people from doing 60mph on surface streets everywhere, since everybody here is a sociopath behind the wheel for some reason.
 
Yeah, I've been getting pretty bad fuel economy compared to this fall. The worst I've had so far is 26 mpg for a tank, because it was a particularly cold month (-20 to -30 C every morning). This month I've been doing about 28.

The major factors I've noticed are these:
- Engine takes a long time to heat up. The blue water temp light only turns off when I'm half way to work.
- Slower moving traffic, making it difficult to drive at a consistent speed in the city.
- Extreme rolling resistance of deep, rough snow
 
My commute is 27 miles each way. I live less than a mile from the freeway, and my work is also right off the freeway. Speed limits are 55 and 60 on the freeways I take. I head in to work at 6am so there's no traffic in the morning, so I just do 55 the whole way. On the way home I get stuck in rush hour for parts of the commute and the trick I learned is to not keep bouncing back and forth between the gas and brake as traffic creeps along; instead I follow along 1-2 car lengths back and just try to roll along smoothly. Yeah I'll occasionally get someone who will see the open space and cut me off, but I don't care. So that's pretty much how I get 40mpg in the summer.

On long trips where I'm doing 65+ mph, I'll get maybe 35-36mpg. 55 is definitely the 2's most efficient speed.
 
I get 35-43 mpg in the sticks. Mid 30's on mountains and high 30's/low 40's in the valleys.
 
I'm guessing you don't live in the most densly populated of areas? Or at least, you don't work in such. I'm almost exclusively on streets rather than highways, hence why my fuel mileage isn't as great as others.

+1. Same for me. On my current daily routes, I can't go as far as 1/2 mile without coming to a complete stop. Most of the time, it's a few blocks at most before stopping. I do a bit of hypermiling when it's possible, but I haven't been able to crack over 30mpg avg for a tank since my daughter started at a new school this year. That route is probably the worst of all worlds for mpg. Before that, I was averaging 34 mpg for every tank, 100% city driving.
 
I do mostly city driving and my MPG is getting progressively worse. Car only has 1100 miles on it and my tanks have been 30.2, 29.2, 27.8, 26.9, and yesterday at 24.7.

I understand a few mpg here and there but not close to 20%...
 
I do mostly city driving and my MPG is getting progressively worse. Car only has 1100 miles on it and my tanks have been 30.2, 29.2, 27.8, 26.9, and yesterday at 24.7.

I understand a few mpg here and there but not close to 20%...

That's been almost exactly my experience this winter too kamui -- even the 24.7 in my last tank! Is your car still stock?
 
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