Forge BPV sound...

drledford93

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Ok...this thing sounds like some sort of demented chicken/turkey/bird at the end of doing it's thing. You hear the "psssht" then this chirp/bird kinda thing. Is this normal?

The car feels more lively just after the shift. Nice!

Daniel
 
The sound of a Forge is distinct and is well documented on this forum. Glad you enjoy yours. I find the sound slightly annoying, but the performance is great.
 
If you search Yahoo for "Forge BPV" you'll find videos that include the sound. Mine works like a charm, and I enjoy letting off the throttle near unsuspecting pedestrians.
 
I didn't like the sound so I had to sell the Forge and go with a Turbosmart BPV. Same results without the ping. It's a matter of preference.
 
haha I have the PG valve, which is very much like the Forge. I called the noise it made the "angry goose." It was most entertaining with light boost and slow throttle let-off. I could anger the goose for at least 3 full seconds doing this. Although fun for a few days, it became annoying. The "fix" included plugging the overboost hole on the bottom of the valve. The goose has flown away and left me a crisp sounding valve! You may want to see if the Forge has a similar overboost hole. And no, my car does not overboost now having plugged it!
 
Thanks, guys. I read about the sound, but it's different from what others heard. It's like a cartoon-like sound if you think of a sword fight. The woosh followed by an artificial sounding clang of metal. No flutter at all yet. Is this what people hear?

I put it on last night and today we have 3-4" of snow...darn it!

Daniel
 
Thanks, guys. I read about the sound, but it's different from what others heard. It's like a cartoon-like sound if you think of a sword fight. The woosh followed by an artificial sounding clang of metal. No flutter at all yet. Is this what people hear?

Daniel

A lot of people describe it as cartoon ninja swords clanging. So your desription sounds about right.
 
How does one "train" the ear regarding the ping?

I remain untrained. Sorry if this offends, but I outgrew making armpit fart sounds when I was in grade school, and the objective seems the same in both cases. The notion of connecting a duck call to a BPV to "impress" people is about the same as sticking the duck call up the ass and farting. Yes, it get's attention, but what kind?

I think most people with "untrained" ears, are neither frightened nor amused by a BPV that makes such sounds. They just put it in the same category as juveniles with loud stereos going around trying to get attention.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Just one opinion.
 
Yeah, swords, what a joke. Thats what an untrained ear gets ya.

I think he was being facetious.

How does one "train" the ear regarding the ping?

I remain untrained. Sorry if this offends, but I outgrew making armpit fart sounds when I was in grade school, and the objective seems the same in both cases. The notion of connecting a duck call to a BPV to "impress" people is about the same as sticking the duck call up the ass and farting. Yes, it get's attention, but what kind?

I think most people with "untrained" ears, are neither frightened nor amused by a BPV that makes such sounds. They just put it in the same category as juveniles with loud stereos going around trying to get attention.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Just one opinion.

Yeah, thanks. If it matters, I have a Forge because it holds boost better. And a ping and a duck call are distinctly different.
 
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Ping, swords, Mario, duck, it's all attention getting and not the normal release of boost back into the intake during lift throttle shifts.

But I'd get some kind of aftermarket BPV in a heart beat (as silent as possible) if my BPV leaked or if I could make my stock BPV leak. It does not, and I can't get it to, not even at 28,000 miles and with my mods. I'm spiking to 20-21 psi and holding at 17, sometimes 18 psi with my mods on the stock valve.

Personally, I think a lot of "leaking" stock BPV's are needlessly replaced because someone "thinks" their valve is leaking because they have "heard" from less that objective reliable sources that these valves "leak," and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy that the stock valve is bad when the owner really just wants to spend money on a noisemaker that they have to tinker with and adjust and change almost endlessly just to get it to work properly.

I'd rather put my money into mods that produce power gains and leave the sound effects to others, but that's just me.

Here's a chart, I guess everyone has seen by now, where Grassroots Motorsports compared the performance of the stock BPV and the Forge BPV on an MS3. Forge did not "hold boost better."

With the particular adjustments on the Forge for that test, they were able to demonstrate that boost would recover quicker right after a slow granny shift (more lively in language of OP) with the Forge, but when you look closely at the chart, once the ECU allows full power (which does not happen until third gear), the stock BPV held boost better and at higher levels than the Forge. Fact.

And who can use full power in first or second gear anyway? Full throttle just breaks 'em loose for me in both gears. It's third gear and up that you really see whether performance gains are meaningful.

Since I flat shift in competition at 5,500 rpm, there is no manifold vacuum during that kind of shift and no loss in "lively." Yet I get the benefit of the higher boost level of the stock BPV. When I'm driving around town and shifting slowly, I really don't want to be perceived by the general public as giving them armpit farts. But Ii recognize that there are those here who enjoy that experience.

So, I think OP is right about the "lively" provided he is talking about lift throttle granny shifting, and that he is also right in calling out the unnatural sounds produced by this valve.

I agree that we should mod for whatever reasons we like, including sound, but let's be realistic about whether there is any true performance reason to criticize the stock valve.
 

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Ping, swords, Mario, duck, it's all attention getting and not the normal release of boost back into the intake during lift throttle shifts.

But I'd get some kind of aftermarket BPV in a heart beat (as silent as possible) if my BPV leaked or if I could make my stock BPV leak. It does not, and I can't get it to, not even at 28,000 miles and with my mods. I'm spiking to 20-21 psi and holding at 17, sometimes 18 psi with my mods on the stock valve.

Personally, I think a lot of "leaking" stock BPV's are needlessly replaced because someone "thinks" their valve is leaking because they have "heard" from less that objective reliable sources that these valves "leak," and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy that the stock valve is bad when the owner really just wants to spend money on a noisemaker that they have to tinker with and adjust and change almost endlessly just to get it to work properly.

I'd rather put my money into mods that produce power gains and leave the sound effects to others, but that's just me.

Here's a chart, I guess everyone has seen by now, where Grassroots Motorsports compared the performance of the stock BPV and the Forge BPV on an MS3. Forge did not "hold boost better."

With the particular adjustments on the Forge for that test, they were able to demonstrate that boost would recover quicker right after a slow granny shift (more lively in language of OP) with the Forge, but when you look closely at the chart, once the ECU allows full power (which does not happen until third gear), the stock BPV held boost better and at higher levels than the Forge. Fact.

And who can use full power in first or second gear anyway? Full throttle just breaks 'em loose for me in both gears. It's third gear and up that you really see whether performance gains are meaningful.

Since I flat shift in competition at 5,500 rpm, there is no manifold vacuum during that kind of shift and no loss in "lively." Yet I get the benefit of the higher boost level of the stock BPV. When I'm driving around town and shifting slowly, I really don't want to be perceived by the general public as giving them armpit farts. But Ii recognize that there are those here who enjoy that experience.

So, I think OP is right about the "lively" provided he is talking about lift throttle granny shifting, and that he is also right in calling out the unnatural sounds produced by this valve.

I agree that we should mod for whatever reasons we like, including sound, but let's be realistic about whether there is any true performance reason to criticize the stock valve.

Unless I am wrong, and I often am, If anyone takes the time to research what a BPV/BOV does they will quickly learn that boost actually holds the valve shut! I myslef run a Forge and I like the coin poping off between shifts.
 
Unless I am wrong, and I often am, If anyone takes the time to research what a BPV/BOV does they will quickly learn that boost actually holds the valve shut! I myslef run a Forge and I like the coin poping off between shifts.

With respect, I know how the valve works, and under what circumstances it releases, but I don't understand your point. Could you please explain?
 
no disrespect intended toward you, and I guess I didn't really have a point, except to say I like the Forge "ping" and agree with you about some mods being not entirely performance oriented nor necessary. I personally didn't like a black plastic valve at the end of my alum cold pipe, esp after I put in my polished alum CAI and at that time the Forge was the cheapest option an I believe still is.

For those who don't know, here is a excellent explanation on how a BPV/BOV works.

siliconeintakes com/stpg.php?page_id=bov
 
So, I think OP is right about the "lively" provided he is talking about lift throttle granny shifting, and that he is also right in calling out the unnatural sounds produced by this valve.

I agree that we should mod for whatever reasons we like, including sound, but let's be realistic about whether there is any true performance reason to criticize the stock valve.

I can tell you for sure that the faster "reaction" by the engine after shifts is very noticable. Much, much better than stock. No "imagination" here.

You just defeated your entire argument by saying that there is some improvement. Thanks for that admission that negates your argument. You also said that people get these to make their car sound better or whatever. You're full of it. See the above argument. There are some adults out there that have a good, rational butt dyno that can see the improvement certain aftermarket parts get.
 
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We should all enjoy the mods we make. But we must be realistic about what they actually do for performance You can set the Forge carefully enough to make it more "lively" when you granny shift. But, please understand that being more lively at light throttle does not make the car either faster or quicker. It comes at the cost, according to the tests results in the study I posted, of losing a pound to almost two pounds of boost at WOT in third gear and above.

All of the "lively" difference goes away when you flat shift.

Here's an example perhaps a bit better than butt dyno of performance with the flat shift with the stock valve and simiple mods listed in sig:

Charts were generated by use of a G-Tech Pro accelerometer and confirmed by a recent video of a timed 40-120 run. Get out your stop watch for if you want something a little better than a butt dyno. And then tell me if the stock BPV is lively enough for you.

Just trying to bring a little objective evidence-based science to the discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRY2wCDcfWA

The video'd run might have been quicker but for the traction loss (even with DSC ON) in second gear and part way through third (time for new tires).
 

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