FMIC and airbox installed at BEGi

[voiceKoil]

The deal with pipe length is *greatly* mitigated by having the correct pipe diameter. 2" vs 2.25" may be significant in this case. The smaller diameter will keep air velocities up, have less volume to pressurize and be generally more responsive. And if Corky Bell says 2" is adequate, us plebes should at least ask ourselves why he feels this way since his tremendously experienced engineering expertise seems to be saying that more is not necessary. Unless of course it's the only way to get it all to fit. But that seems unlikely, no?

I didnt know they specified that it was going to be 2in piping. The reason I was figuring 2.25 is because my buddy knows a lot about Ko4 tuning with his Audi A4, he has done a lot of research and we were talking about it and figuring that would be sufficent. Im no expert nor claiming to be, I was posting what had an idea of. The Main thing though for pressure drop and length is the diameter of the piping like you said. The piping really isnt that long, if you look at wrxs I believe their route is even longer... Heres a pic of it. All it comes down to is having the right size piping, the route could vary slightly but all in all its a matter of what you will be happy with.

Pic of fmic piping on wrx, dosent look any shorter than my idea, actually longer...

 

[tuckaloe]

voiceKoil,
I agree that I'd look to 2.25" without any other guidance. I come from the world of VWs and that is pretty much a standard with those that know how to produce good results. However, 2.25" is also considered acceptable for the 2.0 16v turbo guys running T3/T4s and or GT30/35s and pushing 350-450hp. Our tiny turbo seems to warrant a touch less, though that's merely speculation with zero engineering.......dunno. Seems intrinsic that we could run tighter piping and have great results since we canNOT push the same volume of air despite how much we'd like to.

That said, the volume of 2" vs 2.25" is considerable. When you hold the different sized pipes in your hand, it's hard to believe that one is only a quarter inch larger in diameter. Pi messes with many a gearhead;-)

 

[nocoastgangster]

I was poking around and I think it would be pretty easy to make a Custom front mount, from our good friends that produced our upgraded TMIC, they make a good core for $300, and the piping on ebay would be around $120 shipped, which Im sure you could get all you need for under 500-600, depending if you want samco silicone or not. I was talkin with my buddy with his Audi w/ Ko4 that the best thing for our turbo so you dont get bad pressure drop is to get 2.25 piping. I got it all mapped out how I would run it depending on the final entrance to the throttle body. I still didnt see a post on the price for the kit, but for our cars it would be better for a front mount, the top mount does its job, and the upgraded tmic does an even better one. IF the stock one feels cool to the touch on top of the engine, imagine how it would feel to the touch on the front of the car. Its all a matter of taste and how much you want to do to your car...

I was thinking about having an intercooler like the one posted. I found a couple paths/holes and completely based the piping on that. There are 2 different ways you could go to the TB from the IC but this is just my really rough sketch. I mainly wanted to get it on paper and go from that. Im really curious to see how they ran it!

Yes I scanned this into my computer from a peice of paper (ghey)

not to be a buzz kill but according to the pictures i have the turbo/exhaust manifold is in the rear of the engine bay. But the idea is still good if the holes already exist.

 

[Jeph]

LOL his pictures right. That manifold in the picture looks like he was trying to draw an intake manifold.

 

[voiceKoil]

not to be a buzz kill but according to the pictures i have the turbo/exhaust manifold is in the rear of the engine bay. But the idea is still good if the holes already exist.

Lol oh really.... Yeh I think I know that buddy , I guess my intake manifold looks like headers? You see its 4 runs going in, theres a box for the TB and then the oval thing is a BOV, all you have to do is look at your "pictures" and follow my piping route, because really all you have to do is make your mind go the other way, because the piping connects to both intake and exhaust manifolds, whether through the turbo or throttlebody. You honestly couldnt get that looking at the picture? I know its rough but imagine a little bit. Maybe you should try looking at the real engine instead of pictures.. (lick)

 

[voiceKoil]

Thanks JEPH! lol people.... Im sorry I wasnt testing my artistic ability on the intake manifold becuase everyone that owns the car SHOULD know where it is...

I guess I should take it as a compliment because the holes are already there! lol Im not trying to be a jerk to the Nocoastganster, but take a little more time before you try to kill someones buzz! lol And thanks those pics, might come in handy if I cant see something in my engine. (breakn)

 

[voiceKoil]

voiceKoil,
I agree that I'd look to 2.25" without any other guidance. I come from the world of VWs and that is pretty much a standard with those that know how to produce good results. However, 2.25" is also considered acceptable for the 2.0 16v turbo guys running T3/T4s and or GT30/35s and pushing 350-450hp. Our tiny turbo seems to warrant a touch less, though that's merely speculation with zero engineering.......dunno. Seems intrinsic that we could run tighter piping and have great results since we canNOT push the same volume of air despite how much we'd like to.

That said, the volume of 2" vs 2.25" is considerable. When you hold the different sized pipes in your hand, it's hard to believe that one is only a quarter inch larger in diameter. Pi messes with many a gearhead;-)

Yeh I totally agree, I wish the guy that started this thread would post some pics and more detailed info on his install! (attn) lol Im really curious to see everything!!! Either way though I believe that Ill get a fmic before I buy an upgraded tmic, I see more potential. And I really want to move to the deserts of AZ!

 

[maestro]

Yeh I totally agree, I wish the guy that started this thread would post some pics and more detailed info on his install! (attn) lol Im really curious to see everything!!! Either way though I believe that Ill get a fmic before I buy an upgraded tmic, I see more potential. And I really want to move to the deserts of AZ!

Pics would be nice. I heard there was a problem with the CP-E unit on a speed6 and I have not read anything new about FMIC for the 3. Bell has a good reputation and it's always nice to see what they are doing so let's see the pics.

On heat soak it seems generaly agreed on that idling at a light or in stop and go traffic will kill the efficiency levels of any IC, but to differing degrees. How many FC owners take steps to get rid of their TMIC? A lot and for good reason. The dyno graphs that have been posted show the effects of heat soak on the stock TMIC. The new TMIC that some of the vendors are selling are for people that don't want to go to the same level of modification that others do, or simply don't want to wait. These new TMIC's will function fine for most folks. FMIC typicaly improves on the efficiency level at which the engine is able to make power.

Also the Corksport FMIC has a few differences from the typical approach. Their System was, and is, being tested on my car. For me it is cheaper than buying the parts. There was a noticeable difference when driving the car with the FMIC and NO OTHER mods vs simply driving it stock. The way it is set up it must be reducing pressure loss, heat soak or something to get the extra power/torque. Maybe it's the intake??

 

[nocoastgangster]

Thanks JEPH! lol people.... Im sorry I wasnt testing my artistic ability on the intake manifold becuase everyone that owns the car SHOULD know where it is...

I guess I should take it as a compliment because the holes are already there! lol Im not trying to be a jerk to the Nocoastganster, but take a little more time before you try to kill someones buzz! lol And thanks those pics, might come in handy if I cant see something in my engine. (breakn)

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I was trying to compliment your drawing with some actual pictures so people could see. no hard feelings meant or taken. If you need some more pictures let me know. I cna post them up in here.
Tim

 

[Jeph]

A FMIC is always going to get better airflow than the top mount. I don't care if you have a hood scoop. It is also a lot less prone to heat soak, and with the correct diameter piping, and a properly sixed core, you shouldn't have any more lag, or loss in boost. Especially since you're replacing plastic stock pipes, with aluminum, or steel pipes.

 

[voiceKoil]

A FMIC is always going to get better airflow than the top mount. I don't care if you have a hood scoop. It is also a lot less prone to heat soak, and with the correct diameter piping, and a properly sixed core, you shouldn't have any more lag, or loss in boost. Especially since you're replacing plastic stock pipes, with aluminum, or steel pipes.

Having a FMIC also prevents knock in quite a few cars!




......--------```````-------........ THE MOre We KnOW!

 

[voiceKoil]

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I was trying to compliment your drawing with some actual pictures so people could see. no hard feelings meant or taken. If you need some more pictures let me know. I cna post them up in here.
Tim

LoL its not a problem, I got a kick out of it more than anything! Would you happen to have a direct shot of above the engine bay, and a direct shot of below the engine bay? THat would be peachy!

 

[voiceKoil]

Just thought of something else for everyone that wants to keep the top mount, you could get a SPAL intercooler fan.

 

[Jeph]

Or you could rig up an intercooler water sprayer for the stock top mount...

 

[voiceKoil]

So no word on any updates on this FMIC setup huh???

 

[clos561]

Or you could rig up an intercooler water sprayer for the stock top mount...

this and a scoop would be bettter than fmic imo...so much work and if u need dealer visit....remove the sprayer and go in...the hood will not void the warranty ( i hope)

 

[speedalot]

lalala. i like the stock hood. wish it were lighter like that of an evo. that would be nice. weight of the evo hood with the same air ducts, maybe larger air ducts. that would be very nice i think. a scoop, i dont think it would look too good. im more into the stock look. not so much the fancy s***. theres my 2 cents. on the IC part. upgrading the top mount would be a better idea. isnt it even cheaper? it keeps the stock look, increases performance and just looks nice i think. and it should be a direct bolt on. dont need to worry about taking the front bumper off and all that other happy horse s***. but anyways. theres my other 2 cents on that matter. so total there was my 4 cents. =)

crazy asian.
p.s. i love my freakin car.

oh and also, i forget who said this, but keeping the top mount really does keep you lower on the radar with the cops and other people out there looking to race. when i had my evo, i had cops following me left and right(wasnt speeding, ordoing anything stupid) and had lil civics and s*** try and race me everytime i was out on the road. yeah it looks nice but it just draws too much attention to you and your car.stealthyness is key.

 

[maczter]

Any updates lately? Had a chance to dyno this beast yet?

 

[1967abarth]

Any updates lately? Had a chance to dyno this beast yet?

Exhaust should be finished this week then off to the dyno.
FMIC+CAI+BEGI exhaust + Xcede = 300 hp at wheels??
Should have an answer in about a week.

1967Abarth

 

[desperado-c]

Exhaust should be finished this week then off to the dyno.
FMIC+CAI+BEGI exhaust + Xcede = 300 hp at wheels??
Should have an answer in about a week.

1967Abarth

300 PLUS!