Enlarged TMIC

[SwampAss]

I am seeing reports to these increasing HP and TQ by 20. It's been my experience with previously owned turbo charged cars that intercoolers do not increase HP, but allow you to retain more HP through reducing heat soak and decreased intake temperatures.

Are these intercoolers actually increasing HP/TQ or just showing a reduction in loss after 2nd and 3rd dyno pulls?

 

[CTGrey02]

Some intercoolers are not only better at keeping IAT's down but they're also more efficient at reducing boost loss.

 

[ALIEN3T]

soem people and mazda engeniers have said that the stock tmic can cause about 3lbs of boost loss. the new ones probably flow better and keep it cooler.

 

[ALIEN3T]

soem people and mazda engeniers have said that the stock tmic can cause about 3lbs of boost loss. the new ones probably flow better and keep it cooler.

 

[$inCitySpeed3]

The whole point is to make a cooler denser charge, which gives you HP and TQ

 

[justa4banger]

PRessure drop will make a difference on HP. I believe the numbers as they are making the intake system more efficient.

On my SVO i changed from a IC that had side tanks to a prochrager style that has end tanks on the top and bottom. Its a trade off less cooling effectiveness but less pressure drop.

Previous dyno netted 322 whp and 346 wtrq on 26psi and 31* timing
New numbers with IC and exhaust manifold are 324 whp and 379wtrq on 24psi and only 27* timing total.

granted the exhuast manifold helped some, but the fact i made more power with less boost is impressive for sure.

Also keep in mind that more pressure drop in the IC also causes the turbo to work harder and make it less effective. It will create more heat to make the same boost.

Last thing i almost forgot. the turbo will spool up faster with a IC that has less pressure drop.

 

[Bakrauf]

I dont think its gonna raise it by 20 Hp. I upgraded my stock interwarmer on my MSP and I gained only 2-3 Hp. But it did kool better and was twice the size of the original.

 

[CustomMSP]

Dyno proven gains guys. I was the one that did the original dyno for the upgraded TMIC in question. With the ETS TMIC the car did not loose ANY power for three consecutive runs on the dyno. With the stock TMIC the car was loosing 10WHP with every consecutive run!!

 

[SwampAss]

so is that to say the 20hp is a third run retention vs. a 20hp gain across the board? That's kinda what my question was.

 

[CustomMSP]

There was a +10WHP/20WTQ difference right off the bat with the upgraded TMIC. The second run showed a difference of 20whp.

ETS TMIC:

Run1 -- 230WHP/260WTQ
Run2 -- 230WHP/260WTQ

Stock TMIC:

Run1 -- 219WHP/240WTQ
Run2 -- 209WHP/230WTQ

Check out Protegegarage.com for more information.

Take care.

 

[maestro]

There was a +10WHP/20WTQ difference right off the bat with the upgraded TMIC. The second run showed a difference of 20whp.

ETS TMIC:

Run1 -- 230WHP/260WTQ
Run2 -- 230WHP/260WTQ

Stock TMIC:

Run1 -- 219WHP/240WTQ
Run2 -- 209WHP/230WTQ

Check out Protegegarage.com for more information.

Take care.

So not actually a gain. Simply retaining the HP and Trq levels the engine is making initialy, if I understand your post.

 

[chaos4]

I beg to differ with the "lose of power" on back to back runs with the stock FMIC. My MS3 actually gained from run1 to run 2 and held the same on run 3.
232whp/268wtq on run #1 and 240whp/272wtq on both runs 2 and 3. The runs were conducted on a Dyno Dynamics dyno with 5 - 8 minutes between pulls. By the way those numbers are with only the MS3 CAI, the rest is bone stock.
Now, little about dynos:
Dyno Jets are not considered the most accurate dyno (or any of the other of the same type) with up to 15% higher numbers. Dyno Jet calculates from the weight of the rollers. The Dyno Dynamics, and others, calculate by applying a braking force to the rollers and calculating from that. Another minor difference: Dyno Jets are about 1/2 the cost of a Dyno Dynamics.

 

[CustomMSP]

So not actually a gain. Simply retaining the HP and Trq levels the engine is making initialy, if I understand your post.

There is a gain of ~10whp/20wtq with the upgraded TMIC.

 

[CustomMSP]

I beg to differ with the "lose of power" on back to back runs with the stock FMIC. My MS3 actually gained from run1 to run 2 and held the same on run 3.
232whp/268wtq on run #1 and 240whp/272wtq on both runs 2 and 3. The runs were conducted on a Dyno Dynamics dyno with 5 - 8 minutes between pulls. By the way those numbers are with only the MS3 CAI, the rest is bone stock.
Now, little about dynos:
Dyno Jets are not considered the most accurate dyno (or any of the other of the same type) with up to 15% higher numbers. Dyno Jet calculates from the weight of the rollers. The Dyno Dynamics, and others, calculate by applying a braking force to the rollers and calculating from that. Another minor difference: Dyno Jets are about 1/2 the cost of a Dyno Dynamics.

Did you mean the stock TMIC? In any case, your case is not standard proceedure for measuring the performance of stock and aftermarket intercoolers on the dyno. You let the intercooler and the rest of the engine cool off between every run. Of all the dyno comparisons I've done for various stock intercoolers Power levels were dropping with every consecutive run. It wouldn't make a difference which dyno was used, because we're mainly looking for the change in power between the two.

Take Care.

 

[justa4banger]

DYno's are all off. i did a dyno run on a mustang dyno in 5th gear(closest to 1:1 ratio) and i only netted 202 hp. the maing thing is to use the same dyno over and over to measure the difference in power.

thats how you know you gained something.

 

[maestro]

There is a gain of ~10whp/20wtq with the upgraded TMIC.

I just reread that. Got it.

 

[CTGrey02]

DYno's are all off. i did a dyno run on a mustang dyno in 5th gear(closest to 1:1 ratio) and i only netted 202 hp. the maing thing is to use the same dyno over and over to measure the difference in power.

thats how you know you gained something.

They're not all off. Some use different methods of measurement thats all. Dynojets algorithm is based on the known engine horsepower of a motorcycle back in the 70's. Mustang Dyno's use a different method of measurement and are always going to be lower than a Dynojet. Dynapacks are lower as well. Dont worry so much about the peak numbers, worry about your A/F and the gains from your mods and always use the same dyno for those measurements now that you have a baseline.

 

[meha11]

after installing the ets tmic a slight gain is noticeable, i would say more torque is the biggest thing. it's not as much bang for the buck as the cia but i have no regrets.

if your thinking about what to buy next, maybe the down pipe would be better value but thats pure speculation on my part as i dont have one yet, need to check local laws and inspection procedures first.

 

[jhowey]

I would reccomend just waiting for the test pipe, the cpe down pipe is generally creating smoke out the back because of the first cat issues.

 

[meha11]

I would reccomend just waiting for the test pipe, the cpe down pipe is generally creating smoke out the back because of the first cat issues.

huh.