EMS solutions for the MSP

Black Majik MSP · Nov 22, 2004

I hardly know anything about EMS, but I thought I'd try to organize this EMS bickering into something constructive. I think the only way to properly choose a tuning option is to compare them independently of the car they are installed in.

*EDIT: All of the names are now links to where each can be purchased.*

AEM EMS
Base Price: $1875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Beau @ MAM
Controllable Functions: Everything

Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well
Cons: Very complex & very expensive
Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner"

Haltech E6x
Base Price: $1400
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing
Pros: Dependable
Cons: None
Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers.

Unichip
Base Price: $875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: No
Tuner: Unichip dealers/Corksport
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing (manipulated)
Pros: good #s from current, limited tuning map
Cons: no user adjustability (must be sent to a Unichip dealer to reflash)
Final Word: Perfect for people looking for a "chip" upgrade that you can install & forget

MPI Tuner
Base Price: $750
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel, Timing
Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance
Pros: Very widely used, tradeable maps
Cons: Steep learning curve
Final Word: Good choice for experienced tuner

GReddy Emanage
Base Price: $289
Extras Needed: Injector Harness ($37), Ignition Harness ($39), Software ($114)
Laptop Compatible: No
Tuner: None
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: ??
Cons: Difficult to install & tweak, requires Profec E-01 ($509) for extra functions, no timing control
Final Word: Now that AFC is available, I don't see any point in buying this.

Airflow Logistics AFC
Base Price: $285 (GB)
Extras Needed: Boost Control (depends on method), FTC (significantly more $$)
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: DSMConvert/Airflow Logistics/Split Second
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: On the fly tuning via R4 software...simply hook up the laptop and adjust/tune as needed. Maps can be traded electronically (windows files)
Cons: No timing control
Final Word: Great option for those looking for cheap tuning while still yielding decent #s.

I can add more to this as I get more info or if anyone has suggestions.

DSMConvert · Nov 22, 2004

Eeek! You've got our totally wrong....

Airflow Logistics AFC
Base Price: $285 (GB)
Extras Needed:
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: DSMConvert/Airflow Logistics/Split Second
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: On the fly tuning via R4 software, simply hook up the laptop and adjust/tune as needed. maps can be traded electronically(windows files)
Cons: no timing control
Final Word:

Focus · Nov 22, 2004

MPI tuner should read like this:

MPI Tuner
Base Price: $750
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Controllable Functions: Fuel, timing
Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance / User Programmeable
Pros: Most widely used, maps available
Cons: Steep Learning curve
Final Word:

jersey_emt · Nov 22, 2004

Stickied, fixed, updated.

FSDET · Nov 23, 2004

u cant tune emanage with a laptop ???

hello2000 · Nov 23, 2004

You can use a laptop with the e-manage

mazdaspdprotege said:
u cant tune emanage with a laptop ???

FSDET · Nov 23, 2004

thats what i thought

low_psi · Nov 23, 2004

Emanage can also do timing if you buy the timing harness. You'll also need an o2 signal modifier($100) regardless.

MPNick · Nov 23, 2004

Focus said:
MPI tuner should read like this:

MPI Tuner
Base Price: $750
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Controllable Functions: Fuel, timing
Tuner: MPNick @ Modern Performance / User Programmeable
Pros: Most widely used, maps available
Cons: Steep Learning curve
Final Word:

does upto four extra injetors, plus upto 12psi with only the stock injectors, does full timing control with boost retard has a built in O2 clamp.

The base system has made upto 240whp with stock injectors only. You should run extra injectors above 220whp.

TurfBurn · Nov 23, 2004

Add this one too.. coming in about 2 months:

Microtech LT8S
Base Price: ~1400
Extras Needed: NONE
Laptop Compatible: Yes, Also handset controllable option
Tuner: User - Assistance from NSN Motorsports
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel/timing/pump accel/auxillary
Pros: One of the easiest to use EMS's in existence. Full standalone capability. Feature Loaded
Cons: Re-Configuration requires sending back to Australia (~2 week turnaround)
Final Word: Coming in 2-3 months

Also can do auxillary injectors, 4 tuning modes, piggyback-able, 3-D mapping, auxillary inputs and outputs, can be user configurable to user requested numbers of load map points and timing points etc, full timing control, fuel control, water modification, air temp modification, cruise modification, WOT modification, timing modification at all previous mod points, reads 25 psi on internal MAP, upgradeable to 45 psi at purchase. Can drive independent coils, batch fire and sequential fire of injectors. And more...

Spooled · Nov 27, 2004

I think Emanage needs to be corrected. You don't need the E01 to access the extra functions. In fact, you can access the most with a laptop. Also, you can control timing with 16x16 maps just like fuel delivery. It's much more powerful than a lot of people think.

Edit: You can trade maps with it, too.

orangezoom · Nov 27, 2004

Spooled said:
I think Emanage needs to be corrected. You don't need the E01 to access the extra functions. In fact, you can access the most with a laptop. Also, you can control timing with 16x16 maps just like fuel delivery. It's much more powerful than a lot of people think.

Edit: You can trade maps with it, too.

Amen,totally wrong

jurgs01 · Nov 27, 2004

Tuning software and a list of those who have the EMS would be a good addition. If you list those who have it (or are willing to be listed) it will give people the option to get help from each other.

CWiLL · Nov 27, 2004

AEM EMS
Base Price: $1875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Beau @ MAM
Controllable Functions: Everything

Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well
Cons: Very complex & very expensive
Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner"

Haltech E6x
Base Price: $1400
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing
Pros: Dependable
Cons: None
Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers.

I totaly dis agree with the haltech vs aem.... aem is very user friendly and easier to tune then haltech.... no one wil give maps with the haltech because it is almost impossible to tune unless you've had experence. ive tried to get my friends civic to run on the haltech and we couldnt get it to idol. now he uses a Vortech fmu and a SAFC and puts 624 down on a b16. we gave up on haltech, aem is going in the protege and the civic soon.

Focus · Nov 27, 2004

CWiLL said:
AEM EMS
Base Price: $1875
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Beau @ MAM
Controllable Functions: Everything
Pros: Offers a complete standalone setup & does it very well
Cons: Very complex & very expensive
Final Word: Doesn't seem necessary unless you're building a Protege race car or you're a "Super Tuner"

Haltech E6x
Base Price: $1400
Extras Needed: ??
Laptop Compatible: Yes
Tuner: Juan @ HiBoost
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel & Timing
Pros: Dependable
Cons: None
Final Word: Probably the best choice for Protege owners looking to make big #s & still be daily drivers.

I totaly dis agree with the haltech vs aem.... aem is very user friendly and easier to tune then haltech.... no one wil give maps with the haltech because it is almost impossible to tune unless you've had experence. ive tried to get my friends civic to run on the haltech and we couldnt get it to idol. now he uses a Vortech fmu and a SAFC and puts 624 down on a b16. we gave up on haltech, aem is going in the protege and the civic soon.

This thread is not for discussion or argument of EMS systems, rather as information only.

funktownp5 · Nov 27, 2004

GReddy Emanage
Base Price: $289
Extras Needed: Injector Harness ($37), Ignition Harness ($39), Software ($114)
Laptop Compatible: No
Tuner: None
Controllable Functions: Air/Fuel
Pros: ??
Cons: Difficult to install & tweak, requires Profec E-01 ($509) for extra functions, no timing control
Final Word: Now that AFC is available, I don't see any point in buying this.

THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALY WRONG!

The e-manage IS laptop compatable and it DOES control timing. To use this

Piggy-back you should also buy a FM volatge clamp($100) and the Greddy

Pressure sensor(3 BAR MAP, $100). To anyone that is considering using the

E-manage, the unit is user friendly and their are alot of tuners that know

how to use it and i beleive it is the most afforable for use in tuning

Fuel/Timing.

CWiLL · Nov 27, 2004

Focus said:
This thread is not for discussion or argument of EMS systems, rather as information only.

i understand but the pros and cons were wrote by who? the ppl who design the systems? or by the person who started the thread? if u want the facts then u should post fact not opinions

Focus · Nov 27, 2004

CWiLL said:
i understand but the pros and cons were wrote by who? the ppl who design the systems? or by the person who started the thread? if u want the facts then u should post fact not opinions

I agree with that.

Black Majik MSP · Nov 27, 2004

Sorry, I've been busy lately...I'm going to fix everything & add a section to each that lists what it's manufacturer says it can do. I'm going to eliminate the Pros/Cons & basically combine the opinions into a Comment section.

Captain KRM P5 · Dec 13, 2004

CWiLL said:
I totaly dis agree with the haltech vs aem.... aem is very user friendly and easier to tune then haltech.... no one wil give maps with the haltech because it is almost impossible to tune unless you've had experence. ive tried to get my friends civic to run on the haltech and we couldnt get it to idol. now he uses a Vortech fmu and a SAFC and puts 624 down on a b16. we gave up on haltech, aem is going in the protege and the civic soon.

never tuned an AEM but my haltech was an absolute breeze to tune on the protege. as for no one giving maps....there are a few of us here who would be happy to give anyone a basemap for either the e6 or f10 unit

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