Ems Help!!!

[Maxx Mazda]

Ok, so I'm going to need some form of EMS if I'm going to make serious power. I've got a FM voltage clamp with my Spool Kit, and I want to boost up to about 12psi on stock internals (can be done with proper management.) So, will this setup work?

Haltech F10X w/ bigger injetors and pump
J&S Safeguard
P5 ECU
FM Voltage Clamp

Or, can I go with the Haltech E6X instead of the F10X and Voltage clamp, or what? Should I swap to an MSP ecu?

I'm really knowledgeable with the mechanics of cars and can build engines fro mthe ground up, but I'm fairly green with regards to the whole EMS thing, so any help is appreciated. Will any of those conflict with each other, or is that setup okay?

 

[reuben_j]

Ok, so I'm going to need some form of EMS if I'm going to make serious power. I've got a FM voltage clamp with my Spool Kit, and I want to boost up to about 12psi on stock internals (can be done with proper management.) So, will this setup work?

Haltech F10X w/ bigger injetors and pump
J&S Safeguard
P5 ECU
FM Voltage Clamp

It is definitely going to be more difficult with a custom ECU. It will require a lot of tuning as well. Also, a lot of the sensors may not be compatible with the stock mazda parts.

Or, can I go with the Haltech E6X instead of the F10X and Voltage clamp, or what?

For the stand alone ECU's from Haltech, you shouldn't need the Voltage Clamps. Those are for preventing fuel cut on a stock ecu.

Should I swap to an MSP ecu?

MSP ecu would most likely be your easiest choice. However, I am not familiar with they're capabilities with upping the boost. Perhaps, the Voltage Clamp may be necessary with the MSP ecu when really upping the boost to prevent fuel cut.

 

[505zoom]

Go with the E6X + J&S if you want to be safe at that boost level. You will want the timing control you get with the E6X.

The o2 clamp is to keep the PCM "dumb" about your AFR's. Simply put, it makes the PCM think that you are running leaner than you really are, and allows you to run a richer mixture without the PCM pulling any fuel. You will not need the clamp if you go with either Haltech system.

 

[funktownp5]

Or you could go with Microtech, you could get your car also tuned with it for

the same price as the Haltech E6X + J&S. Also i think you dont have to wire

any additional sensors except a 3 Bar MAP.

 

[Maxx Mazda]

But both the J&S and the E6X control ignition timing. Won't there be a conflict there as they both try and control the timing?

 

[Bala]

I'm sold on the J&S (literally) - sub

 

[505zoom]

But both the J&S and the E6X control ignition timing. Won't there be a conflict there as they both try and control the timing?

There shouldn't be... the Haltech will allow you to get the timing adjusted to where you want it, and then the J&S would be there to give you a display and be a safeguard should you get a bad tank of gas or something.

You could try to get away with just an F10 and J&S, but from what I understand, the J&S is better used as a monitoring/safety device rather than a full-on timing controller. On the other hand, there are some very fast cars that are using ZERO timing control on big boost... SuperProtege's hiboost/F10 powered car comes to mind.

 

[Jeph]

I wouldn't get a msp ecu to control your custom setup, while it might work, it won't work as well as another system

 

[TurfBurn]

Or you could go with Microtech, you could get your car also tuned with it for

the same price as the Haltech E6X + J&S. Also i think you dont have to wire

any additional sensors except a 3 Bar MAP.

amen .

the map sensor is in the Microtech itself, so just a vacuum line and you are right that it uses all stock sensors. Most people take about 4 hours to do the full install.

The J&S is a passive device, it modifies the signal coming out of the stock ECU, Microtech, Haltech, MPI, etc... it is compatible and fine with them all. It isn't so much a timing control unit as an auto-retard on knock unit that is way more advanced than the stock ECU or any aftermarket EMS knock control.

 

[Maxx Mazda]

Okay Steve, you sold me on the Microtech. We'll be in touch...

 

[igdrasil]

get the microtech...

but, remember, it doesnt matter how good is the tunning, engine may fail, rod bolts are weak, rods are weak.

You want an engine to last? dont go over 6500rpms...

 

[03MSP]

Okay Steve, you sold me on the Microtech. We'll be in touch...

Sorry but I have to butt in and say.....good decision!

Support from Steve is boderline unreal. Microtech installation is boderline unreal. Tuning your car with Microtech is weeeeeeeeeeeeee.