Electronic rust control.....anyone ever heard of it?

I heard someone mention it on another forum for another Mazda model. Basically, they said there's a part Mazda installs that sends electric currents through the body to slow down rust?

Is this a real thing?
 
Just put on the spray on rustproofing stuff, it's better than Electronic rust control IMO
 
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Some controversy arises surrounding whether the procedure works, or
whether it's snake oil. There is no question a cathode anode prevents
rust on enormous bridges, buildings, and ships. But some suggest the
process can't work in a car, either because a) the tires prevent the car
from being grounded; b) the anode hooked up to the car battery is too
weak; or c) both or some combination.

On the other hand seems to be the "old-school" rust proofing through a
chemical and/or oil application, such as Krown is an annual application for $100-120, so by comparison, rust
proofing a car every year for 8 years is the same cost as the electronic
protection.
 
Some controversy arises surrounding whether the procedure works, or
whether it's snake oil. There is no question a cathode anode prevents
rust on enormous bridges, buildings, and ships. But some suggest the
process can't work in a car, either because a) the tires prevent the car
from being grounded; b) the anode hooked up to the car battery is too
weak; or c) both or some combination.

On the other hand seems to be the "old-school" rust proofing through a
chemical and/or oil application, such as Krown is an annual application for $100-120, so by comparison, rust
proofing a car every year for 8 years is the same cost as the electronic
protection.

I agree with Tamn
The electronic process is sound and has been around for a century or more, but it only works when the metal to be protected is "COMPLETELY" grounded. IE. the entire surface to be protected has to be under water (salty or dirty water anyway,.. distilled water is an insulator that's why it goes in batteries). That's why it works on buildings, pipelines, bridges and ships.

One guy actually submerged his car in his pool to get it to work. Another guy had rust right where the wire from the unit attached to the car. These devices are a scam and have been shut down by the government in the US many times but they keep coming back to market under a new name (perhaps because it IS based on proven principal). If you read their disclaimer carefully their warranty only covers painted metal ??? Painted metal won't rust so if a stone chip starts rusting, they're not responsible. Don't believe their fancy electronic jargon. You can build one yourself for about $10 dollars in parts.

All new cars come with corrosion warranty usually five years and they never rust for at least a few years anyway so you don't know whether or not it's working for maybe five years. By then the company is gone or they simply just don't pay unless lawyers are involved.

Krown (which I am an outspoken promoter of) took them to task and asked them to provide a workable set of parameters to test their electronic product because it failed all of their tests. They refused.

I don't think too much of the one time application stuff either and it's not recommended by the APA either. A heavy plastic or rubber coating on every thing works for a while but eventually rust will start somewhere and creep underneath the coating and draw in water with it and keeps it there. It's hard to see as well because it's covered up.

I spent two days under my car scrapping crap off last summer and it was worse because of the rubberized spray. You could see the rust bubbling through but it went inches past the spot and came off wet. I don't think it's a bad idea I just think you need to spray it as well. It may be a waste of money though because you should spray it every year anyway. At about $700 dollars for a new car option, I think you'd be better off going to Krown every year.

I don't care if Krown has to drill holes in my car, it's the only way to get it in there where it really counts. The really bad rust starts on the inside like in the pillars, inside the doors, up under the hood's leading edge and for our cars specifically (protege5) the badges on the tailgate and of course the rear wheel wells (I've caked mine with grease). With this kind of rust you don't see it till it bubbles through the paint from the back and when you go to scrape it off your whole hand is likely to go through.

Krown also has locked in pricing which means the price you pay for the first visit is the price you pay for every subsequent visit provided you go every year. The warranty is even transferable to the new owner if you sell the car which happened for my mom when she bought a used car. If you take a new car in to them (within a year old I think) they will warranty the car forever (even if you sell the car) so that can really help in selling a used car. I have heard of people making claims for rust through and Krown did pay for repairs (although you may have to be persistent).

The spray is also good for electronics and moving parts, if your power windows are well lubricated, them are less likely to fail.

I go every year and pay $125 including tax (but the price has gone up $10 since I locked in). They spend at least 45 minutes spraying my car and let me watch and get them to drill extra holes and spray even more. I went to a cheaper place years ago and they were done in less than ten minutes. No holes no body panels,... not worth the $45.

I go in the spring because it's warmer out giving the oil a better chance to creep (special stuff by the way,... engine oil eats rubber and some plastics) and the shop isn't very busy at that time of year so they are more inclined to take their time. At this time of year they're lined up out the door. But if my car had never been sprayed I would get in that line.

Mazda's are apparently more prone to rust, especially our P5's, they were all completely built in Japan and they use huge amounts of recycled metal over there. I guess it's hard to get all the impurities out in the recycling process. To be honest I never would have bought this car. I just thought rust was normal. I've had three Mazda's that all rusted out well before they died (gas tanks, brake lines, body panels). Then I looked under my sisters Honda civic that was a year older with 100,000 more km on it and it looked brand new compared to mine that was eight years old when I bought it and it had never been undercoated.

I'm glad I didn't check my sisters car before buying because I love my car and I think I'm on top of the rust.
 
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It's got more to do with where you live if your car is going to rust or not.I know heaps of sp20/p5 in Australia with no rust at all.

It's got nothing to do with mazda cars coming from japan.

This is the stuff i used i only used it because i go over board :D

A thick anti corrosive wax treatment is applied to all possible exposed metal of the vehicle. When you consider rust is caused by raw metal being exposed to the elements, water, sea air, etc. The anti corrosive wax prevents the metal from ever being exposed to these elements preventing rust from ever forming.

We go to great measures to ensure every crevice is reached! The inner door trims will be removed so that the inner body can be reached. Then the vehicle will be raised on a hoist to get all the underneath of the vehicle, wheel arches etc
 
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It's got more to do with where you live if your car is going to rust or not.I know heaps of sp20/p5 in Australia with no rust at all.

It's got nothing to do with mazda cars coming from japan.

OK, I'll give you that. I guess I live in one of the world's best testing grounds. We love our salt too, we don't just put it on our food. I look at every P5 I see on the road and I'm sure it's been over a hundred or more. They were only made for 2 years (here anyway) and if they don't have the side marker light I know it's a 2002, the same as mine. Only about 4 or 5 weren't rusted out in the rear wheel wheels. I remember seeing a Mazda 3 in a parking lot last year that was beautiful, I loved the color, a dark red. Then I looked at the wheel well and it was rusted 4 inches up around the whole wheel well. I thought it was brand new till I saw that. It obviously couldn't be older than 2004. A lot of people around here don't realize how much that affects resale. They think $120 a year for rust proofing is too much but that car was worth thousands of dollars less.

I guess you guys in a warm, dry, salt free climate would be wasting your money getting sprayed or maybe just once when it's a couple of years old. A tiny bit of rust can be good before you spray, it gives it something to cling to and build up a barrier right at the weak spots.

I do think a lot of car companies fair much better here though but apparently Mazda has improved their process in more recent years. The Mazda 3 was the best selling car in Canada for 2010 (despite Honda's claim to be the best selling car for 14 years running,... They had to change their ad to Canada's "favorite" car 14 years running).


Yeay Mazda
 
Yes the mazda 3 is a top seller here too... i know a lot of sp20/p5 that are close to the beach and have no rust.

I don't agree with you that a tiny bit of rust can be good before you spray rustproofing,rust is rust = BAD.
 
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Actually, that part was just my opinion. When I mentioned it to the guy at Krown he agreed with me. He may just been patronizing. I'ts Your call.

From Wikipedia: Cathodic Protection

Automobiles:

Several companies market electronic corrosion control devices for automobiles and trucks. The systems are not effective[33] and in 1996, the FTC in the USA fined David McCready and ordered him to pay $200,000 in consumer redress and stop marketing and selling his “Rust Evader" electronic corrosion control for cars.[34] Systems marketed since that time are no more effective.[35][36]
 
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Here is my own direct evidence, based on my own 3 weeks of observation of my own car, that this electronic module does NOT work: we have one on our new CX-5 yet the surfaces of the disk brakes on this car develop very small splotches of rust every night while the car is parked outside This rust quickly wears off after the first braking. If this car was really protected by a "magic electronic rust module force-field" there would be no little rusty blotches developing every night on the disks. There would be no rust. Conclusion: this electronic rust control system is pure snake oil. Now, what about the rust that is no doubt slowing developing elsewhere? It turned out that the 'lifetime warranty' for rust repair is only worth just over 3 times the cost of the module (this detail in the small print was not disclosed by the dealer when they sold the electronic rust control module--I'll be putting in a claim, in a few years, it would seem, for repair of a rusty car as the car will rust unless I take it to Krown. These modules make as much sense as a Ponzi scheme. Yet the Mazda dealers, at least here in Ottawa, all push these modules hard (as do Nissan, Toyota, Ford etc dealers) in what looks to be a major consumer ripoff. If these things are illegal in the US, then our American friends are lucky.
 
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