Do I flash?

[eddy]

Hey guys,

I am about to get my MSP flashed on Monday and I was wondering...after the flash, do you get increased horsepower compared to non-flash? Or is it that the flash just illiminates the hesitation and smooths out the powerband?

 

[Vulcanon]

eliminates hesitation (although some people say it returns) and smooths it out

 

[jersey_emt]

The flash advances the timing in mid-range RPMS...you will see a HP & TQ increase in the middle of the RPM range. But peak HP/TQ remain about the same.

The extra kick in the midrange helps the hesitation...it still isn't perfect though.

 

[eddy]

so there is no increased horsepower?

 

[funnylittlman]

There is in the middle of the power band, but no no TOTAL effect.

 

[03MSP]

so there is no increased horsepower?

There is no increased PEAK horsepower. However, there is (supposedly) an increase in midrange horsepower.

 

[eddy]

so..all in all..you get a faster car simply by the fact that u increase the midrange a bit....i was wondering will there be higher gains from a flashed car vs. non-flashed car when you add mods?

 

[jersey_emt]

Unflashed can run higher boost compared to a similarly-modded flashed MSP. Advanced timing increases the risk of detonation, so you will detonate at a lower boost level with the flash.

 

[mspeedpro]

it drives 100x better, extra hp or not

 

[eddy]

do you guys think that there will be higher gains with a flashed msp when you add bolt-on mods...with stock boost?

 

[jersey_emt]

The gains for each mod shouldn't be greatly affected by the flash...any difference would most likely not even be noticable.

 

[RXMmazdaspeed]

my car is flashed.. and i was wondering what would need to be done so that the risk of detonation would be decreased/eliminated so that when i get my boost controller i can raise it safely

 

[t3ase]

my car is flashed.. and i was wondering what would need to be done so that the risk of detonation would be decreased/eliminated so that when i get my boost controller i can raise it safely

without a standalone and proper tuning knowledge, you cannot raise boost safely in our car's situation. you may not blow your engine the first week but it will happen, especially if you get ballsy and get it >10psi.

 

[RXMmazdaspeed]

is it safe to have it at 8psi daily with no work on the internals? or is even that pushing it?

 

[t3ase]

is it safe to have it at 8psi daily with no work on the internals? or is even that pushing it?

you should be fine as long as you're smart about it but again, that's more than the car is supposed to have. there's no telling.

 

[RXMmazdaspeed]

i've heard so many mixed opinions on this matter over my time on here.. what would be needed to safely have my car running 8-10 psi daily? *my mods are injen cai and just flash.. this summer getting an fmic/hardpipe kit from either ion or wagner

 

[t3ase]

to be really safe? wait until you have the fmic.

 

[RXMmazdaspeed]

so thats all i would need to be able to run 8-10 psi safely?

 

[bored132]

exhaust also, all that extra air needs to exit effiecently.

colder plugs are a good idea also.

 

[RXMmazdaspeed]

yea i was thinkin exhaust after the fmic/hardpipe kit.. thanks a lot i can't wait for the summer