Difference between FP & FS protege engines??

[TheMAN]

since when didnt they use the FS-DE in a 02 MP5?????

626 FS-DE != Protege FS-DE
do I have to say that the 3rd time?

 

[TheMAN]

what's your definition of easily my friend?

1) install motor to car
2) use stock ECU
3) go on with life

 

[D_Roc7822]

626 FS-DE != Protege FS-DE
do I have to say that the 3rd time?

actually you never said that... for any time... none the less a 1st 2nd or 3rd time... what i believe you said was.... "that FS-DE is NOT the one you want to get... it is for the 626 and it's NOT the same motor as your car's" so if your now trying to saying that "626 FS-DE = Protege FS-DE".. then really what are you trying to say... kinda confusing to me... kinda 2 different things if you ask me... but Im really not wanting to argue or anything like that. Im just trying to find a cost effective way of replacing my engine so I can sell my car..

 

[Maxx Mazda]

No, Edwin was right the first time. Install the FS-ZE and use your factory DE ECU. Will work just fine.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

1) install motor to car
2) use stock ECU
3) go on with life

yeah we've had this conversation, and without the JDM ecu or something mapped like it (standalone) you aren't going to net the 40hp gains over the DE with the stock american ECU. correct me if i am wrong, but using the intake manifold with the USDM ECU will not exactly work either and will throw a check engine light, rendering the car non-compliant for emissions, which in the state he lives in won't fly. same with using a standalone.

so unless you are finding 170hp FSZEs real cheap, its not cost effective for the purported gains you might get nor is it - to me - easy. but yes, it will drop in and bolt up. if it were that easy, you'd see 626s, Mx-6s, Probes and Proteges running around dropping these motors in left and right and talking about big gains.

my definition of easy is not your definition of easy though (spin)

 

[Skoozul]

Let me see if have this right, I have read up on this on this and other sites awhile ago.

My understanding is the FS-ZE is a direct fit and will have a very small gain in hp when used with the US spec ecu. But will not yield it's full potential unless used with the JDM ECU and Wiring harness (which it to much of a headache to even think about) or a stand alone Engine and Fuel management systems. Please clarify if I have this correct.

As for the original poster the Mazda protege 5 is the FS-DE and if you just need a cheap replacement Look here.

Car-Part.com

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Let me see if have this right, I have read up on this on this and other sites awhile ago.

My understanding is the FS-ZE is a direct fit and will have a very small gain in hp when used with the US spec ecu. But will not yield it's full potential unless used with the JDM ECU and Wiring harness (which it to much of a headache to even think about) or a stand alone Engine and Fuel management systems. Please clarify if I have this correct.

As for the original poster the Mazda protege 5 is the FS-DE and if you just need a cheap replacement Look here.

Car-Part.com

the FS-ZE will physically bolt right in the car just like the FS-DE. it has a higher compression ratio, different upper end components such as the manifold and camshafts. it will run and drive on the FS-DE ecu and it would be advised to use high octane gas. will running it on the FS-DE ecu get you from 130hp to 170hp? no, and unless someone provides dynos to the contrary of that - stock DE to stock ZE mind you - i'll stand by that. i'd be surprised if you'd even see 20 wheel horsepower from it by running it on the stock DE ecu.

if you quote corksport, cost of an FS-ZE engine shipped here would be about $2000. if you go strictly by dollars-to-horsepower, a turbo kit - even new - is a much better deal.

 

[D_Roc7822]

that is correct.. and thanks for the link...

 

[supa saiyan pr5]

the reason TheMan is saying the engine wont work is because it uses a distributor and your car doesnt run a dizzi...yes its the same engine but the p5 are distributorless...unless you want to buy it and swap off heads...but still its better getting a new shortblock..


Jeremy

 

[TheMAN]

actually you never said that... for any time... none the less a 1st 2nd or 3rd time... what i believe you said was.... "that FS-DE is NOT the one you want to get... it is for the 626 and it's NOT the same motor as your car's" so if your now trying to saying that "626 FS-DE = Protege FS-DE".. then really what are you trying to say... kinda confusing to me... kinda 2 different things if you ask me... but Im really not wanting to argue or anything like that. Im just trying to find a cost effective way of replacing my engine so I can sell my car..

ok, 1st time:

that FS-DE is NOT the one you want to get... it is for the 626 and it's NOT the same motor as your car's

the FS-ZE can be easily made to work with your car

did I say the?

NO.

and what did I say the 2nd time?

626 FS-DE != Protege FS-DE
do I have to say that the 3rd time?

!= means ≠
it's normally typed as != because it is easier to do so than looking up ≠.

And in case you failed 5th grade math:
≠ means "not equal to"

so now the 3rd time:
THIS auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...RK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=140086253105&rd=1,1 is for a 626 FS-DE, it is NOT the same motor as the Protege one and will NOT provide the same performance as a stock Protege motor

I don't know or care what your reading comprehension problem is, but I hate repeating myself and if you think I'm an asshole now, what was I doing before?

Being nice.

 

[TheMAN]

yeah we've had this conversation, and without the JDM ecu or something mapped like it (standalone) you aren't going to net the 40hp gains over the DE with the stock american ECU. correct me if i am wrong, but using the intake manifold with the USDM ECU will not exactly work either and will throw a check engine light, rendering the car non-compliant for emissions, which in the state he lives in won't fly. same with using a standalone.

so unless you are finding 170hp FSZEs real cheap, its not cost effective for the purported gains you might get nor is it - to me - easy. but yes, it will drop in and bolt up. if it were that easy, you'd see 626s, Mx-6s, Probes and Proteges running around dropping these motors in left and right and talking about big gains.

my definition of easy is not your definition of easy though (spin)

that's nice
how come MY check engine light is not on with my FS-ZE intake manifold?

 

[TheMAN]

the FS-ZE will physically bolt right in the car just like the FS-DE. it has a higher compression ratio, different upper end components such as the manifold and camshafts. it will run and drive on the FS-DE ecu and it would be advised to use high octane gas. will running it on the FS-DE ecu get you from 130hp to 170hp? no, and unless someone provides dynos to the contrary of that - stock DE to stock ZE mind you - i'll stand by that. i'd be surprised if you'd even see 20 wheel horsepower from it by running it on the stock DE ecu.

if you quote corksport, cost of an FS-ZE engine shipped here would be about $2000. if you go strictly by dollars-to-horsepower, a turbo kit - even new - is a much better deal.

stop making a more fool of yourself while you still can, ok?
the ebay links posted in the begining of the thread had an FS-ZE for about 500 bucks.... 2 links, one FS-ZE, and one 626 FS-DE (which won't work right with the P5 and *could* have inferior internals because there ARE many variations of the FS-DE)

 

[Tiger Brand]

^ how much gains would you see running the FS-ZE w/ a P5 ecu? Even w/ the MP3 ecu, would it be worth it, or will an ems be required?

 

[TheMAN]

it still needs the proper ECU or some aftermarket management... but with the MP3 ECU, you'll probably get at least 120whp... this is assuming you're using it's exhaust manifold or headers

 

[Matthew1785]

stop making a more fool of yourself while you still can, ok?
the ebay links posted in the begining of the thread had an FS-ZE for about 500 bucks.... 2 links, one FS-ZE, and one 626 FS-DE (which won't work right with the P5 and *could* have inferior internals because there ARE many variations of the FS-DE)

stop acting like an asshole, honestly man whats ur problem? because someone who doesnt agree with you? or someone who tells you it isnt easy to install an FS-ZE. Stop of trying to make people feel like idiots were not all ASE certified mechanics here. This is a fourm for learning, give them a learning experience instead of critizing or just shut up for christ sakes

 

[Tiger Brand]

it still needs the proper ECU or some aftermarket management... but with the MP3 ECU, you'll probably get at least 120whp... this is assuming you're using it's exhaust manifold or headers

thanks man. i just might try this out.

 

[Skoozul]

please do and make sure you get some dynos to put some facts to this stuff

 

[TheMAN]

stop acting like an asshole, honestly man whats ur problem? because someone who doesnt agree with you? or someone who tells you it isnt easy to install an FS-ZE. Stop of trying to make people feel like idiots were not all ASE certified mechanics here. This is a fourm for learning, give them a learning experience instead of critizing or just shut up for christ sakes

was I being an asshole at the begining of this thread? NO.
it all went this way because of YOU. you suck at reading comprehension just like what you have done yet again. I tried to TEACH you guys that the swap is not as big of deal as you all make it seems. So you're right, the forum is for learning, but there's NO learning or learning experience whatsoever if people like you aren't listening or understanding what was being said

 

[Matthew1785]

was I being an asshole at the begining of this thread? NO.
it all went this way because of YOU. you suck at reading comprehension just like what you have done yet again. I tried to TEACH you guys that the swap is not as big of deal as you all make it seems. So you're right, the forum is for learning, but there's NO learning or learning experience whatsoever if people like you aren't listening or understanding what was being said[/QUOTE

My reading comprehension is fine, and because of me? excuse me for trying TO LEARN about my car? maybe you dont understand that? I'm a network administrator, do i look like a mechanic to you? there is nothing wrong with giving my .02 even if it is incorrect. However if you think im going to be taken for someone who cannot read think again. I find it completely funny that everyone else can explain thing's around here with a better attitude then you.

You must be an angry person ehy?

 

[TheMAN]

I need not say anything more, I'm done with this thread

in the end, cognitive dissonance owns all

you didn't give any "2 cents" or opinions in this thread, simple as that.

network administrator or mechanic, that doesn't excuse anyone from understanding english... something which is extremely important when having to understand computer documentation/whitepapers and when doing things on a computer