decisions decisions...need some feedback!

[mazdagrl3]

hey guys, since im done with the exterior mods, now its time for performance.

ive been debating back and forth if i want to convert my 3 to manual so i can turbo it without having to worry about a blown trans...

here are the options ive been throwing around...

A. Convert to 5spd

B. Do a CX7 swap, engine and trans... would be nice to be a little different...and so far ive never heard of this swap being done.

and i dont wanna hear any of the "why would u turbo an ATX car?!?!?" blah blah blah... theres nothing wrong with havin an auto car so keep that bs to urself, theres plenty of advantages of having a turbo atx.

thanks!

 

[sanblaster]

Really, if you are going to turbo it buy a ms. It is already put together for you nicely and it is equipped to handle the additional power. Also I love autos, I want to hear one advantage of having an auto with a turbo.

 

[vrspeedemon]

Just turbo the atx, have your bf rebuild the tranny if you run into problems.

 

[07mz3]

Really, if you are going to turbo it buy a ms. It is already put together for you nicely and it is equipped to handle the additional power. Also I love autos, I want to hear one advantage of having an auto with a turbo.

no boost lag

 

[xsists]

Build the tranny and turbo it. To do the turbo right, your going to be looking at around 10k for full internals and kit plus all the little s*** that goes wrong, if you want to go crazy with boost. If you just want a little boost, get the F2 supercharger kit.

Santos, the regular 3s take to turbo a lot better than the DISI honestly. The DISI's have their problems where as the regular 3s can be built up to be a much stronger platform for a turbo setup.

 

[Guest20182]

Build the tranny and turbo it. To do the turbo right, your going to be looking at around 10k for full internals and kit plus all the little s*** that goes wrong, if you want to go crazy with boost. If you just want a little boost, get the F2 supercharger kit.

Santos, the regular 3s take to turbo a lot better than the DISI honestly. The DISI's have their problems where as the regular 3s can be built up to be a much stronger platform for a turbo setup.

Not to mention all the 'zoomzoom Boom threads on here for ms3's spinning bearings, throwing rods, falling out motors etc.

 

[ecniemann]

Build the tranny and turbo it. To do the turbo right, your going to be looking at around 10k for full internals and kit plus all the little s*** that goes wrong, if you want to go crazy with boost. If you just want a little boost, get the F2 supercharger kit.

Santos, the regular 3s take to turbo a lot better than the DISI honestly. The DISI's have their problems where as the regular 3s can be built up to be a much stronger platform for a turbo setup.

Might as well just buy a used 1st gen MS3 for 14K then. Like Santos said, it's already engineered for the increased power...............besides the motor mounts (sadbanana). Seems like a lot of work otherwise, and possibly setting something up for failure (look no further than Dan's car). I'd tend to trust an engineer that designs engines and platforms for a living, rather than Frankensteining an existing engine to something it was never meant to be.

Not to mention all the 'zoomzoom Boom threads on here for ms3's spinning bearings, throwing rods, falling out motors etc.

Seriously, none of those stories would exist if idiots weren't modding s*** and messing with the boost without getting a tune. The mounts were not designed well, I'll give ya that, but even after 3 years with that recall done, my mount showed no signs of stress and was not loose when I took it out.

 

[xsists]

Might as well just buy a used 1st gen MS3 for 14K then. Like Santos said, it's already engineered for the increased power...............besides the motor mounts (sadbanana). Seems like a lot of work otherwise, and possibly setting something up for failure (look no further than Dan's car). I'd tend to trust an engineer that designs engines and platforms for a living, rather than Frankensteining an existing engine to something it was never meant to be.

FYI, Dan's car is a speed, so by your logic it should already be designed for the increased power..

The DISI is a limited motor. How many speeds do you see at 400 hp or higher? I know of one. There are a few MZ3s over on "that other forum" that are pushing 500+. Its a better platform to start from if you do it right (talking fully forged internals and tuning).

 

[ecniemann]

FYI, Dan's car is a speed, so by your logic it should already be designed for the increased power..

The DISI is a limited motor. How many speeds do you see at 400 hp or higher? I know of one. There are a few MZ3s over on "that other forum" that are pushing 500+. Its a better platform to start from if you do it right (talking fully forged internals and tuning).

I'm talking modding with no tune regarding Dan's car.

Yeah, at what cost though to reach those specs? $10,000?

 

[xsists]

I'm talking modding with no tune regarding Dan's car.

Yeah, at what cost though to reach those specs? $10,000?

You'll be spending the same if not more with the speed and still have reliability issues where there is a 500+ hp boosted 3 on m3f that has been there for years and never had a problem.

She'll be spending more money trading up to a speed and then building that to be a beast than if she just started with her platform and built from there.

 

[ecniemann]

You'll be spending the same if not more with the speed and still have reliability issues where there is a 500+ hp boosted 3 on m3f that has been there for years and never had a problem.

She'll be spending more money trading up to a speed and then building that to be a beast than if she just started with her platform and built from there.

IDK man. Take the base price of that car new, ~18-20K? Add 10K for mods. For that, could've almost just got an Evo to start with, brand spanking new.

 

[mazdagrl3]

thx guys...and for those saying go the speed route...my bf has a speed...so if i wanted to i could drive his whenever i want. I WANT TO BE ORIGINAL!! why is everyone so against doing labor? why take the easy way out when i could put the hours in and make something mine... i want my car to be BUILT NOT BOUGHT. and chris has a good point...no lag... money is just money...its comes and it goes...you can always make more. i wanna be proud of my car, drive a one of a kind. and as far as frankensteing a car...cmon...hondas do it all the time. it can be done.

 

[mazdagrl3]

also we have been lookin into supercharging instead of turboing...its all up in the air right now...still doin the research.

 

[xsists]

fyi, I'm against going the speed route.

but, good luck being original with a 3 anymore.

also we have been lookin into supercharging instead of turboing...its all up in the air right now...still doin the research.

good luck getting a supercharger now too since F2 went under. Some company bought them for their rotors or something and then is going to get the last orders out and shut it down until further notice. I don't think their stage 2 kit ever made it out. I know their stage one kit was just a bolt on charger with no tuning and you could get the same, if not more, gain with a 50 shot of nitrous. Their stage 2 kit looked promising but I guess they went under. They screwed a lot of people too. Hopefully someone takes their designs and runs with it cause they had a lot of good ideas, just not the business mentality they needed to stay afloat.

 

[Wagonbacker9]

the one thing I'll say is I would not plan on doing an MTX swap, or a CX-7 swap. In either case, you're way better off going with another car, and building from there.

The CX-7 swap would basically require rewiring damn near the entire car and is simply not worth it. I would basically throw out the idea of putting a DISI into a non-DISI chassis right away.

As for a manual swap, again, I say more bulls*** than its worth. It'd be easier and cheaper to buy a manual car and swap all your mods over, for the same end result.

Not sure what the options are out there for your trans, but I say the best bet is to get the auto beefed up, build a turbo kit, and have one wicked ATX 3.


Also, just an FYI to E, dan DID have a tuner on his car. He just didn't have a wideband to properly adjust the tune on it, so he didn't bother to do so... for what its worth.

 

[xsists]

My point is to stay away from the DISI, why would you want to swap one? The DISIs are limited in what kind of power you can push. CP-E has been trying to squeeze out more power for years but can't really get much more.

Built the internals, build a turbo kit, build the tranny and then tune the **** out of it and have a beast ass car.

There is a guy on the 3 forums that is converting his sedan to AWD. Gonna be sweet when its done, but is it worth it? Probably not, the resale value won't be high enough to justify the mods. If you just build your car, you can always part out if you decide to move on.

 

[mazdagrl3]

whether i turbo or supercharge it, im not going to buy a kit from a company. we would end up building our own kit. well figure somethin out... theres always a way to do something. no matter how much money i spend, its worth it to me. and i dont want to trade my car in and get a 5spd. i would get screwed in the end for the loan. thats not worth it to me. and like i said before... i dont care how much of a pain in the ass it is to do something, nothing wrong with puttin some hard work into your car if you care about it lol

 

[mazdagrl3]

btw, just to be clear... im not lookin to push crazy numbers with my car...im only hopin to get like 250...300 at the most down the road... idk if u guys think im wantin to get like 400+...no way lol

 

[xsists]

you may not want big numbers now, but boost is addicting.

jussayin.