Dang! My two cents / feelings CX-7...

Ok.....I don't get it? Why did he even consider the Mazda...hmmm......looked like a Lexus?? That's the best bang for your buck????? Whatever!!! It's a nice vehicle but confused on bang for the buck....oh well!
 
Well if he wanted to spend that kind of money I would have told him to go buy a Lexus like he did! The part I think is good is that it is a Hybrid! of course all those things and being a Hybrid will cost a ton more!! Enjoy your ride!Many people don't really know what they want till they sit in it and drive it.....he never drove the Mazda obviously!
 
lexus + hybrid = extremely expensive compared to the CX-7. They're nice, don't get me wrong.. but I don't see the comparison. You complain that the CX-7 is way overpriced because it doesn't have a power passenger seat (who the HELL cares about crap like that) and is a MAZDA.. and then you go and buy a lexus.. I'd say Lexus sells some overpriced TOYOTAS :D

Oh and sorry that I chimed in with "irrelevant banter"... around these parts we don't restrict each member of the community to only posting in the sections for the cars they own.
 
Typical SUV driver. He was not about the car. Just about how much creature comfort you can stuff in to your oversized SUV. You will never like a mazda because you are not a DRIVER but merely driving from A to B. Cx7 is made to be driven, not for talking on you bluetooth cell drinking your coffee. Good luck with your ginormous LEXUS land barge.
 
lormad said:
I went for the Lexus RH-400.

LormaD

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Boy you sure showed us!! LOL!!

You bought a vehicle that lists for $38k more than the top CX-7 and you"re bragging it has more features? ROTFLMAO.

On top of that the sales are so poor they had to discount it $14K to get rid of it....LOL...again.

(bowdown)
 
Mazda3 said:
ROTFLMAO!!!!

Boy you sure showed us!! LOL!!

You bought a vehicle that lists for $38k more than the top CX-7 and you"re bragging it has more features? ROTFLMAO.

On top of that the sales are so poor they had to discount it $14K to get rid of it....LOL...again.

(bowdown)

Yeah we totally got PWNED. Mazda raises the white flag to that douschebag hahaha.
 
Guys.... relax. Criticism and competition is what keeps manufacturers on the cutting edge. Be glad you like your purchase and it 20,000k is worth it for the extras on RX, so be it. After all, him spending more money helps the Canadian economy right? The RX is a nice vehicle no doubt but I wasnt looking to buy a vehicle that is more than 15% of the total value of my house. The RX would have been double that!

Bottom line: He saved a CX for a "driver". :)
 
xavier said:
Guys.... relax. Criticism and competition is what keeps manufacturers on the cutting edge. Be glad you like your purchase and it 20,000k is worth it for the extras on RX, so be it. After all, him spending more money helps the Canadian economy right? The RX is a nice vehicle no doubt but I wasnt looking to buy a vehicle that is more than 15% of the total value of my house. The RX would have been double that!

Bottom line: He saved a CX for a "driver". :)

The lexus is nice in its own right. Its the way he cut down the CX-7 because it didn't have the same features and interior quality as a vehicle that's $30k more. I think most of us defended our turf without crossing the line of being civil. I just wanted some facts to back up his statements. As soon as he realised he didn't have any he left. The CX-7 is not perfect and has room for improvement, but his statement about the price was incorrect and he got called on it.

No Biggie :)
 
And he probably drives like a left footed Stevie Wonder!
 
Mazda3 said:
The lexus is nice in its own right. Its the way he cut down the CX-7 because it didn't have the same features and interior quality as a vehicle that's $30k more. I think most of us defended our turf without crossing the line of being civil. I just wanted some facts to back up his statements. As soon as he realised he didn't have any he left. The CX-7 is not perfect and has room for improvement, but his statement about the price was incorrect and he got called on it.

No Biggie :)

I hear ya but in those cases its kind of a lost cause. Its kinda like someone saying "Mazda missed the mark with the CX-7 because the Porsche Cheyenne Turbo has more horsepower"...

I would reply "ok" and leave it at that because the guy obviously has no clue what a "class comparison" is. The CX7 beats almost all competitors in value in the class it competes in.
 
well enjoy your ride!!! But for me the cx-7 it has a lot handing and the brakes are way better!!! Anyway congrats on your new car
 
Hey!...

I have nothing against Mazda's, or this community. There will be always, like on every other board, Keyboy Cowboys. I'm don't engage in p!ss!ng contests. For those who choose to rant and cuss one as there form of communicating and apply it as there logical reply, well... it says alot about that person's character.

I stated my opinions about the CX-7. I test drove it, and it impressed me enough to consider it. What is "value" or "important" to some, may not apply to others. Everyone is allowed to state there opinions. I made my feeling heard, and was waiting for opinions from those who drive CX-7. Sometimes, after ownership, other things come to light, things that cannot be experienced either by a test drive or inside a dealers showroom.

The CX-7 is definitely more sport (as per it's powertrain spec's) in it's nature, something that is "nice" but something I can live without to a lesser degree(which is why I considered the CR-V). I liked the styling very much, less for my impressions of the front grill and the oversized mazda logo. Hey! to each there own I guess. I hate it, some like it.

Say what you will, but Mazda has not proven to me a track record of reliability and low ownership cost to drive. Honda and Toyota have, so believe what you will but I'm not about to change my perspective on that point. As for the other things that I desired in my/our 2nd vehicle, well nitpicks to some, must haves for me.

I chose the RH-400 because of value, yes VALUE. I thought that for the price it was a real bargain. Not often, can you get a "Deal" on luxury cars from limited dealers in a greater metropolitan city. It has more of what I would ever ask for, in terms of options, but more importantly it has the options that my wife and I wanted. Period. The style is more conservative, but for me that's a good thing. My wife really liked the ext int colour combo. I liked the fact it's a hybrid, because I do drive more in the city than the "average" person does and I think it will be a benefit for both the environment and my pocket book (ok, I won't get rich in gas savings but the benefit is there).

FWIW, I know resale value will be awesome for the Lexus, they do hold there value very well.

Good Luck to all...

Cheers,

LormaD
 
It sucks that the increased cost of Hybrid ownership and the diminished resale value on hybrids (due to issues with batteries) means you have to drive the thing for ~200,000 miles assuming no major mechanical failures to even break even. Buying a hybrid is not a way to save you any money.. nor is buying an SUV unless you need the utility frequently. The only good reason to buy a hybrid is the reduced emissions, and even that is only displacing the environmental impact. The production of the hybrid drivetrain equipment and the disposal of the batteries is a very bad thing for the environment.

Granted, non-hybrids share some of those same issues. We install catalytic converters to reduce emissions, yet most don't stop to consider the useful lifespan of the catalyst. When it wears out, you have a nice fun toxic unit to dispose of. Is it even worth trying? I think so. As long as the waste can be kept away from our water supplies, I'd much rather have landfill waste than air pollution.

Pretty much to sum it all up, humans suck. I love driving, and love driving for pleasure and sport. To make me better able to sleep at night, I chose to retain a catalytic converter in my car and employ tools such as an engine block heater to reduce cold start emissions. Yet another reason that I like Mazda even though it wasn't something I thought of before I bought my car.. I solely bought my car based on the styling and practicality, nothing more. Mazda makes some nice clean and efficient four cylinder engines. There isn't a single model in the lineup for 2007 that comes standard with a V6 engine (now that the MPV is out of the picture). Yeah sure, when you hit boost on a turbo 4 the emissions may easily meet those of operating a V6 of similar performance, but at idle or just lightly crusing around town staying out of boost, it's still just a wee little four cylinder. While many enthusiasts drive around in their big musclecars with their V8s pissing through imported petroleum, my little engine gets me around just fine and provides a lot of fun and enjoyment along witih that.

Good luck with your Toyota :). I like the styling of the RX myself, even though I do see it on the conservative side. I guess the only thing I don't understand is the need for a luxo-barge :P. I like economy cars a lot, because well they're economical. I don't need to skin dead cows to have nice plush seats, I'd much rather have the year-round comfort and durability of cloth. Excessive sound insulation to completely isolate you from the world is just that --excessive. Luxury cars sure are posh and comfortable, but to me and to Mazdas brand Identity (though you have already chosen to avoid Mazda with this car purchase, please check out the link in my signature to Mazda's brand identity video) it isn't a necessary part of the driving experience. To us, it is a feeling of shinba ittai or "horse and rider as one", which Mazda builds at the heart of every one of their cars. Sure other car companies may build faster cars, or may even build cars with better numbers than a Mazda that to the casual observer seem similar (Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky <--> Mazda MX-5), but what they lack is that connected to the road feeling that slaps a silly grin on my face every time I get behind the wheel.

In all honesty, the zoom-zoom soul of my car has become enough of a part of me that even if my car were as reliable as a Pontiac I would probably still keep it. With that in mind.. i do say this car at over 75k miles (60k of those already in my two years of ownership) has been 100% reliable for me. Sure, I've taken on maintenance work that I didn't at the time have any experience with that caused me to ride my bicycle the 52 miles to and from work before, but I can't blame that on the car. Had I chosen to allow a mechanic to do the work, it probably would have been done in a couple hours, but I love my car too much to let someone else touch it.

I'm sure even with the complicated hybrid drivetrain, your Lexus will still have Toyota-like reliability down the road. While Mazda was building their brand image on driving experience, experimental new technologies (rotary engines) and fun, Toyota built their reputation on a smooth ride and long-term reliability.

No car company is perfect for everyone, but Toyota has managed to come as close as possible to universal appeal. If people in the U.S. weren't so die-hard about the false sense of "supporting the american people" that they get when buying an American automobile, I'm sure Toyota would be even more widespread than it is today. They continue to make great cars, but I would only consider recommending them to someone who really just cares about a car as a basic means of transportation.

Pardon my long-windedness with this post, my brain isn't working well at all this morning so I jumped around from subject to subject, hopefully covering everything possible.

Pics of the new ride? I've only seen a couple of the hybrid models on the road. love the wheels they come with too.
 
Wow, did everyone here get their panties up in a bunch or what? Other than the nonsense of comparing a Mazda to a luxo-brand and the bitching about the front logo, I actually agree with most of the guy's CX-7 criticisms. The sticker of my CX-7 exceeded $34k and at this price, it does leave some things to be desired - mainly the super cheap rear door trim, no aux-in in a $4k tech package and no memory seat/mirror option. Let's face it, this is a price range which is slowly creeping into Acura, Infiniti etc. territory.

That said, I love the CX-7 and without the tech package, it's quite a value. My biggest gripe is that we should get more when shelling out $4k for the tech package. But that has been discussed many times before.
 
RX-330: 38K BASE MSRP for AWD model. Add moonroof, navigation, a decent sound system, and really no other options and it's MSRP is over 50,000 dollars.

That's like comparing my mom's 32,000 sticker price Nissan Altima to a BMW 3-series.. yeah the base price on the 3 is like 34-36, but although it has a lot of stuff, it still doesn't have navi, hids, 18" wheels, a decently powerful engine, an auto tranny (not my car.. my mom's haha), etc for that price.

You just can't compare a fully loaded non-premium car with a base model premium car in the same class.

The RX-330 doesn't have HIDs, navi, tilt/telescoping wheel with memory, moonroof, leather trim, a decent sound system, or anything special at all at it's 38k base price.
 
lormad I stated my opinions about the CX-7. I test drove it said:
The Lexus is a very refined luxurious vehicle there's no doubt about that. It should be for the money they cost. As far as insight for an owner. The feeling of the ride and steering in the CX-7 puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. The security of sitting higher than a car, but still having a sports sedan feeling is amazing. The exterior styling is very unique, it gets alot of attention where ever it goes. The big Mazda emblem does tie into the lines of the vehicle. I wouldn't care if it was smaller, but the current size doesn't bother me either.

As far as the interior goes I find it to be excellent look and quality for its price range (in the front anyway, I don't sit in the back). Is the lexus interior more refined with more features? Sure it is, thats what you paid the extra $20k for. The point I was making is, what CUV/SUV has a better interior for $43k or less? Nothing does, you have to go up in price.

As far as the reliablilty, your stance comes across as that of a brainwashed Honda/Toyota customer. Mazda reliability has been equivalent to Honda/Toyota for years. As I stated earlier consumer reports rated Mazda the most consistently reliable product line over Honda/Toyota. Most people consider their information one of the more reliable sources because it isn't influenced by advertising money. My current Mazda are number 4 and 5 in my family. The reliabilty has been nothing short of remarkable. Mazda's service won't match up to Lexus (they are second to none in customer service), but either will Honda/Toyota's service.

As far as resale you are going to be greatly disappointed. It will be pretty much non-exsistent on that hybrid. No one will want to pay any kind of money for it after the warranty is done. And as a rule in Canada the more expensive the vehicle the worse the resale is, no matter how high the quality is.

Anyway, I much prefer the ride of my CX-7 to the luxury of the RX. Another thing you didn't consider is that 75% of the CX-7 owners probably can't afford to spend another $20k-$30k and were only considering vehicle at that price or less. The CX-7 has very good value in that range.

Enjoy the Lexus, they are a nice rig.
 
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He should have waited for the Jaguar
 
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