CX-5 Diesel--worth the price premium?

[xtrailman]

I wonder was it an early motor and did they change the oil they recommend at some point?

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From what I've read the oil used can take some oil dilution, but it reaches a stage were the dilution is that bad that it can result in low oil pressure. I cannot say wether Mazda have changed the spec.

I always see an improvement in mpg when the car is ready for its 7K service (mileage i do in a year), typically 2mpg.

I should also add that its not only Mazda that have oil dilution issues. Which is why the DPF is hated so much in the UK, my car did yet another PDF burn yesterday, which saw my average read out of 38 mpg drop to 34 mpg, and bear in mind that the average read out lies by reading at least 2.5 mpg high, compared to a brim to brim check, so the true return is very average IMO.

 

[xtrailman]

Check this long thread out, start reading from post 70, then tell me my car was just a lemon, or if this diesel is flawed.

https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/sho...-Fancy-a-cuppa/page5&highlight=how+many+brits

 

[Moonlighter]

Check this long thread out, start reading from post 70, then tell me my car was just a lemon, or if this diesel is flawed.

https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/sho...-Fancy-a-cuppa/page5&highlight=how+many+brits

How about you go and count the actual number of first hand reports (ie "my diesel Cx5 engine failed and was replaced" - not "I heard about/my brothers wifes second cousin's failed") in the UK.

Sort the list by the build year of the vehicles concerned.

Then go and find out how many diesel CX5's Mazda sold in the UK between when they were released and now. Then match up the number sold each year against the number of confirmed failures, sorted by build year.

Then we will have some realistic perspective on the issue.

 

[mashburned]

Want there a prominent thread on diesel issues on this forum?

There was a prominent thread on dilution with the petrol.

Mazda innovates. That's a fact. I don't think you buy a new fancy tech Mazda engine tuned for govt emissions standards if you're planning on driving it forever - say at least 10 years.

And what if go t standards are relaxed? Back to more reliable engines?

I also don't think you buy a diesel unless you're towing heavy equipment lol. Really, a 2.2 diesel?

 

[Mattyredsox]

Additionally, websites like this tend to attract car fans or folks who have had trouble. The average driver isn't going to be here. I probably won't be here much after my 2017 comes. I came to check reviews and share info about my new one. Again, I know many people with Mazdas, diesels and otherwise, and various models, I've probably seen more Mazda's today then most folks will see in a week, I haven't heard anyone else with problems like you describe. I'm not denying that they happen, and I'm not denying that you've met some other folks online with similar issues. In 2015, Mazda sold 103,771 diesel vehicles in Japan and 182,758 worldwide. More than a quarter of a million, I'm sure that there have been at least a hundred, maybe even a thousand that have had problems. That would still be less than 1% of one year's total.
If you can provide details of the great diesel recall or somehow show how these cars are all requiring their owners to perform constant upkeep, I'd be interested. On the other hand, we've gotten no recall notices nor have I heard about any over the past three years, and the hood of my car was last lifted back in October or possibly September for maintenance, and then about three weeks ago when Mazda came by my house to look over my car for trade in value, I assume they lifted the hood again. This week the maintenance light came on, as I'm getting near 40,000k, but I'm not worried as I'm trading it in on Monday, going to have a loaner until the first week of April. I'm hoping for the Atenza wagon for the week.

 

[mashburned]

Check this long thread out, start reading from post 70, then tell me my car was just a lemon, or if this diesel is flawed.

https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/sho...-Fancy-a-cuppa/page5&highlight=how+many+brits

Omg there are 155 pages there. More prominent than I remembered. I skipped to the end and ppl are talking about replacing their oil diluted cx5's with - wait for it - ...Mercedes and VW LOL.

And that issue is not diesel specific. It's in Mazda petrol. Maybe it's worse in diesel, idk. Full synth oil, they recommend you change at 5k to combat oil dilution. Hell, maintenence schedule is 5k/7500 anyway, right? So it's like service schedule was made to combat oil dilution issues in the first place. Why else would you need 5k full synth oil changes? Not their fault, you just need to change your oil more often, your full synthetic 0w20.

 

[mashburned]

Additionally, websites like this tend to attract car fans or folks who have had trouble. The average driver isn't going to be here. I probably won't be here much after my 2017 comes. I came to check reviews and share info about my new one. Again, I know many people with Mazdas, diesels and otherwise, and various models, I've probably seen more Mazda's today then most folks will see in a week, I haven't heard anyone else with problems like you describe. I'm not denying that they happen, and I'm not denying that you've met some other folks online with similar issues. In 2015, Mazda sold 103,771 diesel vehicles in Japan and 182,758 worldwide. More than a quarter of a million, I'm sure that there have been at least a hundred, maybe even a thousand that have had problems. That would still be less than 1% of one year's total.
If you can provide details of the great diesel recall or somehow show how these cars are all requiring their owners to perform constant upkeep, I'd be interested. On the other hand, we've gotten no recall notices nor have I heard about any over the past three years, and the hood of my car was last lifted back in October or possibly September for maintenance, and then about three weeks ago when Mazda came by my house to look over my car for trade in value, I assume they lifted the hood again. This week the maintenance light came on, as I'm getting near 40,000k, but I'm not worried as I'm trading it in on Monday, going to have a loaner until the first week of April. I'm hoping for the Atenza wagon for the week.

Avg driver here. Came here bc I was so excited about my new cx5. Learned a lot. A whole lot. Thanks to the many good posters here.

In another thread you told me you live, or lived d in NY, and you were happy the govt caught your burnt out turn signal at your safety check thingy because you don't check your lights...so, why are you here?

Mazda is a fascinating brand to me. The Miata hertag, the innovation. It's grewt, but it's not all gravy. There are consequences to staying on top of the yeh curve and trying to make the next greatest engine to meet govt standards - which i imagine is tricky as hell. Somebody must do it, though. I respect Mazda for that.

Oh, Mazda came by your house? Word?

 

[Mattyredsox]

Avg driver here. Came here bc I was so excited about my new cx5. Learned a lot. A whole lot. Thanks to the many good posters here.

In another thread you told me you live, or lived d in NY, and you were happy the govt caught your burnt out turn signal at your safety check thingy because you don't check your lights...so, why are you here?

Mazda is a fascinating brand to me. The Miata hertag, the innovation. It's grewt, but it's not all gravy. There are consequences to staying on top of the yeh curve and trying to make the next greatest engine to meet govt standards - which i imagine is tricky as hell. Somebody must do it, though. I respect Mazda for that.

Oh, Mazda came by your house? Word?

Yeah. I used to live in New York. I currently live in Hiroshima. Most car companies in Japan come by your home or your office when you are buying a car. You do all the paperwork at your house, they bring various cars for you test test drive. I'm here because I recently bought a 2017 CX5 and thought that folks might be interested, and I was curious to see what other info on the 2017's was out there. The first new car I ever bought was also a Mazda, the 1991 Eunos V-Special Roadster. It's still on the road, the guy I sold it to has it up in Saitama. Good cars, but if we didn't live in Hiroshima, we probably wouldn't have a Mazda, here it makes sense for us as my wife's work involves a bit of local politics and Hiroshima is Mazda's company town.

 

[dougal]

Yeah. I used to live in New York. I currently live in Hiroshima. Most car companies in Japan come by your home or your office when you are buying a car. You do all the paperwork at your house, they bring various cars for you test test drive. I'm here because I recently bought a 2017 CX5 and thought that folks might be interested, and I was curious to see what other info on the 2017's was out there. The first new car I ever bought was also a Mazda, the 1991 Eunos V-Special Roadster. It's still on the road, the guy I sold it to has it up in Saitama. Good cars, but if we didn't live in Hiroshima, we probably wouldn't have a Mazda, here it makes sense for us as my wife's work involves a bit of local politics and Hiroshima is Mazda's company town.

Actually, you will most likely be the first recipient of a 2017 CX-5, so please stay around to post your pics and impressions when you get the car!

 

[finch204]

Actually, you will most likely be the first recipient of a 2017 CX-5, so please stay around to post your pics and impressions when you get the car!

Yeah, you should stay and post pics and give a review.

 

[xtrailman]

Oil change intervals in the uk are 12.5K miles, or yearly.
Which is why many owners have had the oil rise problems.

I only do 7K miles a year so I've not had the need for an early oil change, i get rid before 30K anyway so I'm unlikely to have premature wear problems, having said that my last car went in for service and mazda wouldn't release the car due to it failing a vacuum brake pump test.

Mazda issued a "campaign" disgusting really, it should have been a recall, as the car was obviously unsafe to drive, took a week for the part to arrive.


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Omg there are 155 pages there. More prominent than I remembered. I skipped to the end and ppl are talking about replacing their oil diluted cx5's with - wait for it - ...Mercedes and VW LOL.

And that issue is not diesel specific. It's in Mazda petrol. Maybe it's worse in diesel, idk. Full synth oil, they recommend you change at 5k to combat oil dilution. Hell, maintenence schedule is 5k/7500 anyway, right? So it's like service schedule was made to combat oil dilution issues in the first place. Why else would you need 5k full synth oil changes? Not their fault, you just need to change your oil more often, your full synthetic 0w20.

 

[Kaps]

I think folks who think they will get Toyota reliability and avoid Toyota blandness with mazda are deluded. I would never buy a 2013 CX-5, I know this engine and transmission is in 3 cars and mazda builds only few​models. So i was confident that 2016 would be good buy.
Mashburned has posted before on this forums, but he never gave any strong evidence of mazda being a poor product. No part number that failed, no drivetrain issue etc. Nothing. His gripe was his dealer asked him to change lots of fluids pushing his acquisition cost up.
If you are gullible all dealers will rip you.
If your mazda was bad car it doesn't matter if a million mazda near you do a million miles. You will still try to sell the bottom line that it's a bad brand. But many posters here either don't understand what they bought or don't know what the brand stands for.

 

[Mattyredsox]

Yeah, you should stay and post pics and give a review.

Actually, you will most likely be the first recipient of a 2017 CX-5, so please stay around to post your pics and impressions when you get the car!

Yes, that's part of the reason I've been sticking around. I've seen a few of the new ones in the neighborhood... instantly recognizable and look VERY good.

Mine will be the CX5 XDL 2WD in black, with a sunroof (not included in Japanese luxury trim), it'll be fully loaded with a black interior (we have a young kid, so white was a no no). Should arrive around between the fifth and the tenth of April. They'll deliver it to my front door. With presents, probably, last time they gave me six steaks (over here that was worth around $150). We knocked about $5500 off the asking price, by making a few phone calls. Then a local company that manufactures parts for Mazda gave us an additional $2000 towards the car. Finally our loan is a little over 1%. The car will get free dealer maintenance for as long as we own the car, we only paid for fuel, air filters, and a battery replacement for one of the fobs on our previous one. They also wash the car free (not great, so I bring it elsewhere usually). Japan does things differently.

 

[mashburned]

I think folks who think they will get Toyota reliability and avoid Toyota blandness with mazda are deluded. I would never buy a 2013 CX-5, I know this engine and transmission is in 3 cars and mazda builds only few​models. So i was confident that 2016 would be good buy.
Mashburned has posted before on this forums, but he never gave any strong evidence of mazda being a poor product. No part number that failed, no drivetrain issue etc. Nothing. His gripe was his dealer asked him to change lots of fluids pushing his acquisition cost up.
If you are gullible all dealers will rip you.
If your mazda was bad car it doesn't matter if a million mazda near you do a million miles. You will still try to sell the bottom line that it's a bad brand. But many posters here either don't understand what they bought or don't know what the brand stands for.

No, It's pretty good product. I think sales reflect that well. It's middle of the road. Not amazing, not bad by any stretch.

My gripe was gas in the engine oil, and the unknown durability relating to that. Also, the resale value was not great.

 

[chris76]

Additionally, websites like this tend to attract car fans or folks who have had trouble.

Call it a conspiracy theory, but I've long suspected that some people who post on car forums are paid social media shills for other automakers, who intentionally attempt to affect buyer confidence in favor of competing brands. They know that a lot of people who are doing research on cars read owner forums to see what people are saying. You can detect the posting pattens of certain users, and when they repeatedly are quick to respond with, for example, "how much better the new CR-V is" in post after post, it is a dead giveaway.

 

[Mattyredsox]

Call it a conspiracy theory, but I've long suspected that some people who post on car forums are paid social media shills for other automakers, who intentionally attempt to affect buyer confidence in favor of competing brands. They know that a lot of people who are doing research on cars read owner forums to see what people are saying. You can detect the posting pattens of certain users, and when they repeatedly are quick to respond with, for example, "how much better the new CR-V is" in post after post, it is a dead giveaway.

That very well could be true as well. In the case here, however, I have no reason to doubt that the guy got a bad car. I know if I have something or an experience I'm not happy with, I complain about it, and I might even go to a website for advice or information as well, and then I might meet up with some other folks who have issues with the same thing, and I might believe that the majority of people have the same problem. It's kind of like how people get into bubbles politically.

 

[xtrailman]

I don't think that myself, i often praise the xtrails I've had, but don't currently have one or recommend one.
And the CRV is a good car.

What i do suspect though are people that claim the brand is faultless, and that owners with problems are the minority, when there are no facts to substantiate claims either way.

Call it a conspiracy theory, but I've long suspected that some people who post on car forums are paid social media shills for other automakers, who intentionally attempt to affect buyer confidence in favor of competing brands. They know that a lot of people who are doing research on cars read owner forums to see what people are saying. You can detect the posting pattens of certain users, and when they repeatedly are quick to respond with, for example, "how much better the new CR-V is" in post after post, it is a dead giveaway.

 

[dougal]

I don't think that myself, i often praise the xtrails I've had, but don't currently have one or recommend one.
And the CRV is a good car.

What i do suspect though are people that claim the brand is faultless, and that owners with problems are the minority, when there are no facts to substantiate claims either way.

Actually, if there were major issues with a car, it should be easy to find out based upon things like consumer reports and such.

And I have had a lemon, actually two, a Subaru Outback and a Toyota Sienna. Both were nothing but grief but I don't think they were the norm. Anybody know how consumer reports has rated the reliability of the CX-5?

 

[CX-5um]

Actually, if there were major issues with a car, it should be easy to find out based upon things like consumer reports and such.

And I have had a lemon, actually two, a Subaru Outback and a Toyota Sienna. Both were nothing but grief but I don't think they were the norm. Anybody know how consumer reports has rated the reliability of the CX-5?

Although you can't believe everything you read on the Internet, Forums have been really good sources for me over the years in terms of getting real world first hand account on things from cars, to TVs, to...gulp men's cologne. Okay that last one is a bit different as everyone's nose smells differently.

 

[xtrailman]

Reviews are often made early on in ownership, mine is on here, i havent updated it with my further issues, i haven't got the heart to really.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/owner-reviews/mazda/cx-5-2012

I do think you have to balance info from reviews, otherwise you would never buy anything. Reviews often don't flag up long term problems.

Some more here.

http://www.whatcar.com/mazda/cx-5/4x4/owner-reviews/

Edit and this.

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/backlash-over-mazda-cx5-diesel-oil-issues-20120821-24k6w.html