CX-5 Diesel--worth the price premium?

Before I retired a couple of months ago, my job and my qualifications and background involved business improvement and customer research. Most recently I worked for a local council and managed, 6 years ago, to convince them that they needed to get quantitative feedback annually from residents about their satisfaction with council's delivery of their many services.

They had never done this before, which says something in itself....

The reason I had so much difficulty convincing both executive management and the elected Councillors was because they truly believed that they "knew" residents views - the Councillors in particular because they "got elected and because we have hundreds of residents every year contact us with complaints". "We know residents are not happy".

Executives were afraid that getting quantitative data would confirm what councillors thought, so they resisted.....

Anyway, finally convinced them, arranged a professional survey company, they did a proper representative sample (lets not go into this, just accept that I/the survey company knew what we were dong to get a proper sample).

Our survey "questions" were simply to list about 45 of the most common of council's services, and to ask residents to rate each of them on 2 x 5-point scales: one score to rate the importance of that service, the other to rate their satisfaction with councils delivery of that service. 5 being extremely important/satisfied, and 1 being not at all important/very dissatisfied.

So there was no bias in the questions. A final question asked residents to give an overall satisfaction rating, again using the same 5 point scale.

The results showed a true representation of resident Satisfaction.

I still remember myself and the research company director presenting results of the first survey to Councillors - who were shocked to discover that satisfaction was actually very good nearly across the board. One of them in particular was arrogant enough to get up and say what some others were thinking:

"These these results are rubbish! I know! Because i only ever get complaints from residents!"

When we walked them thru the survey methodolgy and porved beyond doubt that our results were accurate, they did start to accept it but I could see that some still had doubts. I think I finally got thru to them when I said:

"What these results give you is the voice of the silent majority!"

"The ones that are happy rarely call up to say thanks, do they? But here, we've listened to a sample that represents everyone in the community. Not just the ones who have a beef - the squeaky wheels - they are the ones that call you and complain!"

The results in the first year did teach us something important - they showed the Council had about 7% of residents who rated overall satisfaction with Counicls service delivery as 1 or 2 on the 5 point scale. So it initiated a closer analysis of the reasons for lower satisfaction with some services, and gradually, over the following 6 years, that % who rated overall satisfaction with service delivery as 1 or 2 was reduced to about 3%. Those who understand customer data will also know that in any population/customer set, there are at least 3% who will never be satisfied, no matter what. Ever.

My point?

Complaints on forums like this and others cannot be taken as giving anything even remotely close to a realistic picture. They are the squeaky wheels, doing what squeaky wheels will always do.

As the father of quality, W Edwards Deming said "Without data, youre just another person with an opinion".

Im still waiting for xtrailman to get us the UK data.....
 
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Before I retired a couple of months ago, my job and my qualifications and background involved business improvement and customer research. Most recently I worked for a local council and managed, 6 years ago, to convince them that they needed to get quantitative feedback annually from residents about their satisfaction with council's delivery of their many services.

They had never done this before, which says something in itself....

The reason I had so much difficulty convincing both executive management and the elected Councillors was because they truly believed that they "knew" residents views - the Councillors in particular because they "got elected and because we have hundreds of residents every year contact us with complaints". "We know residents are not happy".

Executives were afraid that getting quantitative data would confirm what councillors thought, so they resisted.....

Anyway, finally convinced them, arranged a professional survey company, they did a proper representative sample (lets not go into this, just accept that I/the survey company knew what we were dong to get a proper sample).

Our survey "questions" were simply to list about 45 of the most common of council's services, and to ask residents to rate each of them on 2 x 5-point scales: one score to rate the importance of that service, the other to rate their satisfaction with councils delivery of that service. 5 being extremely important/satisfied, and 1 being not at all important/very dissatisfied.

So there was no bias in the questions. A final question asked residents to give an overall satisfaction rating, again using the same 5 point scale.

The results showed a true representation of resident Satisfaction.

I still remember myself and the research company director presenting results of the first survey to Councillors - who were shocked to discover that satisfaction was actually very good nearly across the board. One of them in particular was arrogant enough to get up and say what some others were thinking:

"These these results are rubbish! I know! Because i only ever get complaints from residents!"

When we walked them thru the survey methodolgy and porved beyond doubt that our results were accurate, they did start to accept it but I could see that some still had doubts. I think I finally got thru to them when I said:

"What these results give you is the voice of the silent majority!"

"The ones that are happy rarely call up to say thanks, do they? But here, we've listened to a sample that represents everyone in the community. Not just the ones who have a beef - the squeaky wheels - they are the ones that call you and complain!"

The results in the first year did teach us something important - they showed the Council had about 7% of residents who rated overall satisfaction with Counicls service delivery as 1 or 2 on the 5 point scale. So it initiated a closer analysis of the reasons for lower satisfaction with some services, and gradually, over the following 6 years, that % who rated overall satisfaction with service delivery as 1 or 2 was reduced to about 3%. Those who understand customer data will also know that in any population/customer set, there are at least 3% who will never be satisfied, no matter what. Ever.

My point?

Complaints on forums like this and others cannot be taken as giving anything even remotely close to a realistic picture. They are the squeaky wheels, doing what squeaky wheels will always do.

As the father of quality, W Edwards Deming said "Without data, youre just another person with an opinion".

Im still waiting for xtrailman to get us the UK data.....

Applause!

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mazda/cx-5/reliability

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mazda/cx-5

Exactly what I was saying, sites like this attract fanboys and complainers generally. Most average drivers really don't care enough to find a website to discuss their vehicle. If they did, there would be a LOT more active member here, don't you think?
 
Since I had all my problems I havent filled in one single survey, because i don't want to devalue my investment, so i don't take much notice of surveys anymore.

But i do remember the uk cx-5 dropping like a stone from around 6th place way down the board.
 
Again, all I wil say is that Consumer reports is good for one thing and that is measures of reliability. They made Toyota. Anybody know what they have found regarding the reliability of the CX-5? This is not a rhetorical question, I don't actually have any clue!
 
Again, all I wil say is that Consumer reports is good for one thing and that is measures of reliability. They made Toyota. Anybody know what they have found regarding the reliability of the CX-5? This is not a rhetorical question, I don't actually have any clue!
No idea. I'm not a subscriber. I'm curious too.
 
Again, all I wil say is that Consumer reports is good for one thing and that is measures of reliability. They made Toyota. Anybody know what they have found regarding the reliability of the CX-5? This is not a rhetorical question, I don't actually have any clue!
I thought I saw my dad reading a CR mag recently, I'll ask him.
 
I had a question regarding the Mazda 2.2 diesel. I saw online that in order for it to work properly, the engine needs to be run at highway speeds for a certain amount of time every so often, but the video didn't give the specifics. I was just wondering if people know the specifics of how often the engine needs to be run at highway speeds. Sorry if this question has already come up in the thread, I tried finding it, but didn't see anything on this. Thanks.
 
I had a question regarding the Mazda 2.2 diesel. I saw online that in order for it to work properly, the engine needs to be run at highway speeds for a certain amount of time every so often, but the video didn't give the specifics. I was just wondering if people know the specifics of how often the engine needs to be run at highway speeds. Sorry if this question has already come up in the thread, I tried finding it, but didn't see anything on this. Thanks.

The auto association (RACQ) here recommends a highway (80km/hr) run about every 2-3 weeks.

Based on personal experience, I would agree with that. 40 minutes or so at those speeds is enough.

They also dont recommend the diesel if you are doing less than about 15000km per year. Firstly the extra cost of the diesel doesnt make up for the better fuel economy when looked at over that low annual distance, and secondly the diesel isnt working at its best over repeated short trips due to needing longer trips to do the regen properly.
 
The auto association (RACQ) here recommends a highway (80km/hr) run about every 2-3 weeks.

Based on personal experience, I would agree with that. 40 minutes or so at those speeds is enough.

They also dont recommend the diesel if you are doing less than about 15000km per year. Firstly the extra cost of the diesel doesnt make up for the better fuel economy when looked at over that low annual distance, and secondly the diesel isnt working at its best over repeated short trips due to needing longer trips to do the regen properly.

Thank you Moonlighter for the concise and informative answer! That's a good thing to keep in mind, as I do mostly drive short distances (since I work from home) and only average about 10,000 miles (16093 km) per year. No reason for me to hold out for a diesel it would seem. One more point to getting a 2016.5 for me over a 2017 here in the US.
 
Thank you Moonlighter for the concise and informative answer! That's a good thing to keep in mind, as I do mostly drive short distances (since I work from home) and only average about 10,000 miles (16093 km) per year. No reason for me to hold out for a diesel it would seem. One more point to getting a 2016.5 for me over a 2017 here in the US.

For most people the 2.5 petrol engine is going to be excellent.

I do similar annual distances to you, but with the added need to tow a boat - and thats where the diesel really excels. So for my towing needs, the diesel, with all that fantastic torque, won, hands down!
 
Hmmm. No such warnings to us and here in Japan they recommended 10,000 kilometers a year minimum. I do weeks at a time of short runs, and then occasional longer highway trips. We've never experienced any trouble what so ever with our 2014 CX5 diesel. I'm not saying Moonlighter is wrong or anything (he seems to have more knowledge than I do), but ours seems fine without any extra attention. We've ordered the 2017 and are waiting on it to arrive in the next two weeks, it's also a diesel. Not sure about fuel prices where you are, but here diesel is about 15% cheaper than gasoline, and the government gives a subsidy when you buy a clean diesel, so it works to our advantage.
 

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