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[mazda03maniac]

well i think i might just go ahead and custom fab an intercooler for the car instead of just buying one since i want to say money. my cousin said he would help me and he had made a custom one for his civic and the thing looks sweet. anyway what do u think a good core size would be to use. i don't want to have to cut anything so i know i can't go that big. any suggestions?

 

[cbr600rx7]

If your going cheap try and grab one of a MS miata they are small but do a better job than the heat box you have now

 

[orng1]

Just look around the FS section, I have one I got from a friend almost anything can be made to fit. It's supposed to go on an integra turbo kit but with some modification it fits ok. It's a spearco kit from a turbonetics kit, I also took the turbo BB60-1. Thanks Lewis.

 

[khaosman]

good thread here
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123654314

in general try to keep the size around 24x7x3.5 or smaller for ease of install

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

I see no real point in doing a FMIC other than it looks pretty. Way too much piping. More piping and couplers equals more unrealiability, longer pipes equals more turbo lag. Correct me if I'm wrong...but it just seems pointless to me. Mount the thing somewhere in the engine bay w/ air splitters or funnels.

 

[orng1]

Some of us are running way more boost than what the stock or even upgraded side mounts are designed for. I perosnally am trying to reach a big power goal. No offence to those that have chosen the SMIC route but FMIC is for higher boost that the SMIC can not cool. For stock slightly upgraded boost SMIC may work better than a FMIC.

 

[mdl247]

lol sounds like a noob ques. from video and look at his avatar pic lol funny
check ebay i recall a guy making an outrageously huge fmic kit for his msp on this forum a while ago for about 300$

 

[orng1]

LOL I had looked at a faboygarage IC 22x4.5x30 now that thing was huge. Just imagine trying to run that big boy.

 

[mazda03maniac]

yeah i am not totally sure where i want to stop with this car. i want to do a fmic for the looks and i don't want to buy a smic if i end up wanting to do more and have to upgrade to a fmic. well thanks for all the help. hopefully i can get this done after i get my custom exhaust and intake.

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

Maybe you guys dont get what I'm saying. All you people do is look at what people make, which is why most people call these kit cars. Because all they do is buy kits and have little to no knowledge of what they are doing.

Do a big intercooler...in the inside engine bay. I said nothing about the Custom SMIC or any of the above. B/c all that is, is a more efficient, same size intercooler.

I think mounting an intercooler in the front and wrapping all that piping all around your ass just to get to the throttle body is stupid. You would get more gains w/ less pipe...is what I'm saying. Its just not very efficient.

 

[orng1]

The motor flows more than what the stock IC can flow at a lot of points. The actuator is put under a lot of stress just to keep it level boost, haven't you ever noticed the boost at higher RPM isn't constant. If I could show you my set up you'd see we tried our best to keep the charge pipes as short as possible. We relocated the radiator for the charge pipes to have the shortest route, I've tried to think of the best solution for efficientcy. ot all of us here care about the "bling" factor, most people can't even see my IC.

 

[1moreMPH]

Do a big intercooler...in the inside engine bay. I said nothing about the Custom SMIC or any of the above. B/c all that is, is a more efficient, same size intercooler.

I think mounting an intercooler in the front and wrapping all that piping all around your ass just to get to the throttle body is stupid. You would get more gains w/ less pipe...is what I'm saying. Its just not very efficient.

sorry, but that's the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Unless you are talking about using a water-air intercooler, putting it inside the engine bay defeats the purpose; you may as well save piping and just not have one. And if you are talking about a water-air IC, then they are very small anyway.

An intercooler works by passing ambient air thru the fins, which takes heat away from the hot air inside the flow tunnels. Inside your engine bay = very little air movement, AND hot as ****. therefore, you wouldn't be cooling s***. Thus a big reason why our smic sucks butthole. if you want cool air, LET COOL AIR PASS THRU IT! it doesn't need to be huge unless your going for big numbers/high boost, but having it available to cooler outside air up front is wayyyyy better than in the hell-hole of the engine bay.

and as for piping, technically yes, more piping = more cooling, and more lag. however most kits are fairly direct and i do not notice hardly any lag at all with my fmic. Slightly more than stock, but un-noticeable except at very low-speed and low-rpm driving where it doesn't matter anyway.

you can get a 13452324x342432x3345" IC core if it could fit, but if its inside your engine bay, as soon as you warm the car up, it's not gonna help very much.

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

The MSP is slow enough...turbo lag is the last thing you need. And no...it isn't dumb to mount an intercooler in the engine bay. From what I'm thinking...it would be pretty damn easy to top mount one...I would say about 4 o' clock from the valve cover. The hood would need adjusting for air flow. Might even 45 degree mount it. So some air can come from the front. Pipe would be very minimal. might even be able to keep the cold air intake. Relocating the battery would be a piece of cake.

I have to build my motor first before I even consider doing that.

 

[crashkelly]

The MSP is slow enough...turbo lag is the last thing you need. And no...it isn't dumb to mount an intercooler in the engine bay. From what I'm thinking...it would be pretty damn easy to top mount one...I would say about 4 o' clock from the valve cover. The hood would need adjusting for air flow. Might even 45 degree mount it. So some air can come from the front. Pipe would be very minimal. might even be able to keep the cold air intake. Relocating the battery would be a piece of cake.

I have to build my motor first before I even consider doing that.

dude you should just stop talking...you want to do a top mount intercooler??? ok yeah put it even closer to the heat source than the stock sidemount, not to mention you will get absolutely no air flow and hot air rises! I agree that you might see a little turbo lag from a FMIC but only if the intercooler is larger than an efficient size. If you have an efficiently sized intercooler up front with a good boost setting and the higher flowing cooler air coming from a lower source and being forced through the fins because of the location it is going to be far better than a freakin top mount....

I mean you can make the piping as short as possible if you think that turbo lag is all that matters but I'll take an FMIC getting nice cool air instead of a constantly heatsoaked top mount that may have shorter piping but is stilling chugging extremely hot air...

The way you want to set things up would would raise the engine temperatures to the point where it is going to perform even worse than a FMIC with the longest and most poorly designed pipes.

 

[1moreMPH]

top-mount, even worst idea than the side mount! you're going to be farther into the oven of the engine, with almost ZERO airflow! how would that cool anything? if you could even find room. To make that work you would definitely have to custom-fab a hood to vent air to the IC with a scoop like subarus (that's the reason for that scoop). But what your proposing, even if it fits would not be practical price-wise and would be so much trouble for so little gain. unbelievable...

 

[crashkelly]

top-mount, even worst idea than the side mount! you're going to be farther into the oven of the engine, with almost ZERO airflow! how would that cool anything? if you could even find room. To make that work you would definitely have to custom-fab a hood to vent air to the IC with a scoop like subarus (that's the reason for that scoop). But what your proposing, even if it fits would not be practical price-wise and would be so much trouble for so little gain. unbelievable...

sounds like someone should take the advice in their own avatar...nOOb.

Im glad im not the only one who though that was almost the dumbest thing theyd ever heard

 

[orng1]

The guy hasn't had too much experience with his turbo car yet. Let him get some time moding it and he will see. Well thought out mods are the ones that matter, the rest you are just spending $$$.

 

[mazda03maniac]

how well does the MAM fmic compare to the other fmic kits on the market (hiboost, BEGI, etc)

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

Apparently you are ignorant... or can't gd read. I'm not going to put the intercooler over the engine retards. I'm actually going to mount it beside the engine...w/ a hood scoop and air ducts. Which to me....makes perfect ******* sense. Which would eliminate all the extra piping. Hrmmm....lets see. Heat rises. Good one, your really smart. Welcome to physics class 101. I think with a hood scoop pushing all the air downward...I dont have to worry about that too much aye??! Oh yeh...heat shield???! Look into it.

You retards apparently have no idea what custom is.

I've swapped a whole ******* engine into a car and got it running...dont call me god damn newb. Not to mention made my own rear back bumper out of fiberglass. And the car would stomp an EvO VIII and laugh at it. If you dick heads want to insult me then we can certainly go that route. State what you got to say and shut up. Insulting me isn't going to happen! Not in real life and not here.

And Im talking to you Crash Kelly.

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

With the battery relocated, stock intercooler removed, hot pipe and cold pipe. More than enough room to run a huge intercooler w/ very little piping.