cp-e takes FullControl of the MazdaSPEED6

[dadasracecar]

cp-e takes FullControl of the MazdaSPEED6

So Thursday, 7/26/08 night Lou flashed my ecu. It was his first attempt and it was based on his understanding of the MS3 ecu. We pulled mine and he read it, disassembled it in his software and found the throttle plate tables that he modified for the MS3. Took about 30 minutes. Here's the result:

This is the log I took on the way over so stock TP.

We thought the DH was reading funny so I logged it again the next day with the standback.

Sure enough, the throttle is better but it's still closing at 5500. I spent some time looking at it and realized that it closed very similarly to the stock TP control after 5500. That lead us to think we hadn't quite covered the appropriate portions of the TP table. Here's an excel comparison of the two DH logs

We edited the table and flashed again. Here's the result:

Better but still closing after 6000 rpm.
One more edit and here you go:

As you can see, cp-e has completely eliminated the throttle limitation. Additionally, the tables edited for the throttle plate control are untouched in both COBB's and Piasini's flashes... That's an absolute fact.

SOTP, which means nothing btw, is significantly improved. Extreme is closed this weekend for racing so no dynos yet. I can't wait. It's a significant improvement.

 

[dadasracecar]

Ask and ye shall receive...

The following data was taken from an MS3 with a cp-e FMIC, CAI, DP, an HKS BOV, and stock exhaust. The difference in the two graphs is only the flash. Both runs were with the same tune on the standback set to 17 psi. The car was flashed while sitting on the dyno and nothing else was changed. Apples to Apples.

Here's the horsepower:

Here's torque:

For those worried about an open throttle leaning the car out, here's afr:

Here are the datalogs from the standback for both runs
stock flash:

cp-e FullControl Flash:

It is important to note that the only thing changed in the flash is the throttle plate tables. No other tweaks such as timing or boost or afr were made.

What you're looking at fellas is 19 whp and 55 ft-lbs wtq and complete verification that the throttle plate was a major limitation in our cars.

 

[LBV]

Nice ... when are they taking orders?

 

[justanothermp5]

jeez, thats a huge increase in torque!!

 

[mazpro]

this is great news. so all the new standbacks should be shipping out with this map or is this one of a kind?

 

[2.0t03speed]

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[dadasracecar]

This is a flash for the car's ecu, not the standback. You need to either drive to cp-e and get the flash or ship your ecu to them and they'll overnight it back to you. Details are on their website or just give them a call. 301.576.6142

 

[duckllr]

What type of gains will this have on a stock car?

 

[FORZDA 1]

This is a flash for the car's ecu, not the standback. You need to either drive to cp-e and get the flash or ship your ecu to them and they'll overnight it back to you. Details are on their website or just give them a call. 301.576.6142

Well, tell 'em to update their web site! I'm ready to buy, but I'm in Florida for the week. I'm debating on driving up there this Sat or sending ECU. Are they open on Sat? I suppose I could just call or email them...

 

[LBV]

C'mon, do it Forzda and tell us how it takes to the Xede as well!!

 

[FORZDA 1]

C'mon, do it Forzda and tell us how it takes to the Xede as well!!

I'm gonna do it, just a matter of time. This "work" thing is getting in the way of my play time...

 

[sixshooter]

Full Flash

Correct me if Im wrong but is this flash going to be overwritten the next time I take my car into my Mazda dealer for service?
Can I tell a dealer not to re-flash my car while its under warranty?
What is the best tuning solution whp/dollar in your opinion Forzda!

Thanks Guys

 

[FORZDA 1]

Correct me if Im wrong but is this flash going to be overwritten the next time I take my car into my Mazda dealer for service?
Can I tell a dealer not to re-flash my car while its under warranty?
What is the best tuning solution whp/dollar in your opinion Forzda!

Thanks Guys

Well, all I have is an opinion and it's somewhat biased toward the XEDE because I haven't actually tried the others and a full standalone ECU or full (re)flash is not available, so... You can see in my sig what I think are the "best" parts. I did some admittedly unscientific research before I purchased the parts. Cost/benefit/reliability/design were definitely factors. I evaluate the overall engineering, design, and attention to detail before a decision. The XEDE is a well known, proven design with hardware and software that is solid and absolutely reliable. The cost is a few dollars more than some competition, but I think it's justified.

As for the flash and the dealer, you're at their discretion on an emissions reflash. I keep my car(s) away from the dealer...

 

[LBV]

I also keep my car away from the dealer but if I do go in, I'm fabbing up something to wrap around the obd port and putting a damn lock on it 'cause, yes a Mazda flash will most likely overwrite it.

 

[dadasracecar]

cp-e said they would reflash you free of charge (just pay the shipping) if the dealer reflashed you.

 

[69RMSP]

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[FORZDA 1]

cp-e said they would reflash you free of charge (just pay the shipping) if the dealer reflashed you.

Cool, I had not seen (or remembered?) this info

 

[tunersteve]

Very interesting...gonna keep an eye on this. This tears me even more in the Unichip vs. XEDE vs. Standback debate.

 

[FORZDA 1]

Very interesting...gonna keep an eye on this. This tears me even more in the Unichip vs. XEDE vs. Standback debate.

You will be happy with any of them, but with Unichip you're stuck with SU/Uni for tunes. With XEDE or SB, you can tune most anywhere, even on the street. Just pick one and go!

 

[tunersteve]

You will be happy with any of them, but with Unichip you're stuck with SU/Uni for tunes. With XEDE or SB, you can tune most anywhere, even on the street. Just pick one and go!

This is one of those bigger purchases that makes a big impression. I'm gonna do my research and make a solid informed decision when I get one.