cobb?standback?
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You're going to get people who both love and hate both. Just look into the features they offer, and how much they cost and get the one that you think fits into your plan and budget more than the other.
Keep in mind that Cobb is currently working on a way to do custom tuning via the AP, meaning a tuner could use the AP to do a custom tune to your car in the same way that people can now use the SB to custom tune. When that will happen, and who will be able to do it the best is anyone's guess.
Keep in mind that Cobb is currently working on a way to do custom tuning via the AP, meaning a tuner could use the AP to do a custom tune to your car in the same way that people can now use the SB to custom tune. When that will happen, and who will be able to do it the best is anyone's guess.
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I would go with the cobb AP, personally. I did alot of research and just ordered mine yesterday. I am a tech and work with a guy who tunes subaru's for a living at the shop he owns. He gave me the advice that unless you wanna spend alot of money on gauges a separate data logger and a tune then your best bang for the buck is Cobb. The only reason he said to go with something else is if your going big turbo and gonna custom tune anyway.
I would go with the cobb AP, personally. I did alot of research and just ordered mine yesterday. I am a tech and work with a guy who tunes subaru's for a living at the shop he owns. He gave me the advice that unless you wanna spend alot of money on gauges a separate data logger and a tune then your best bang for the buck is Cobb. The only reason he said to go with something else is if your going big turbo and gonna custom tune anyway.
what shop? I am a subaru tuner so I may know him
As others have said, it depends totally on your goals and when you intend to achieve them. If you plan to go big turbo SOON or want to run a separate 5v source (meth for example) at anytime, you should go with the SB.
With that said, if you don't plan to do ether of those SOON. Then it boils down to how much money you want to spend and how much time you want to invest.
SB = More money/time invested than the AP
AP = No custom Tune
So if you want to stay stock turbo and not run meth but you want the most possible power you can get with money/time not being any issue for you. Then the SB is best.
However, if you simply want a tune that provides more power than stock, no KR, safer tune and is plug in-flash-you're done, then the AP is for you.
Both products are great. The AP is getting better and will give the SB a run for it's money soon when the Pro-Tune and Street-Tune come out. Until then the SB rules the roost for giving the most power and tuning options.
With that said, if you don't plan to do ether of those SOON. Then it boils down to how much money you want to spend and how much time you want to invest.
SB = More money/time invested than the AP
AP = No custom Tune
So if you want to stay stock turbo and not run meth but you want the most possible power you can get with money/time not being any issue for you. Then the SB is best.
However, if you simply want a tune that provides more power than stock, no KR, safer tune and is plug in-flash-you're done, then the AP is for you.
Both products are great. The AP is getting better and will give the SB a run for it's money soon when the Pro-Tune and Street-Tune come out. Until then the SB rules the roost for giving the most power and tuning options.
yea but the difference with the ms3 ap and the subaru is the ap actually works with subarus
And what makes you think the AP does not work with MS3's? I'm really happy with my AP. Stupid comments like this based off of ignorance of the product are not helpful to the community.
The difference between the SB and AP is that the SB can be custom tuned. Once the pro-tune/street-tune comes out you will THEN be able to compare the two products for max HP/TQ/Power gains. Until then you can't compare them fairly in that regard.
well the subaru has been out longer, but with the 02 wrxs when the ap came out there were the sam exact issues. It took cobb many tries to get everything right. It comes with time and hard work. The ap is a great tool and they are always working to improve the tunes.
I know Jorge the Subaru AP tuner over at P & L Motorsports. I've known him since 02, before he tuned full time and when he was on his original motor/trans in his 02 WRX 4EAT wagon. =D
If I ever get an AP, I'll go straight to him and have him work his magic.
If I ever get an AP, I'll go straight to him and have him work his magic.
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I'm having the same debate, i'm leaning towards the COBB as of NOW i don't have BIG plans, but that may change, so i'll save the money for now and get a couple of extra mods..
ignorant? listen you can live on this little internet forum but in the real world ive seen the acess port fail multiple times, how many stock turbo car with a standback have blown up? not many i can find, how about a dyno day where a car gained power by disconnecting the ap, granted the power curve looked better but still less power i have other examples also but what i said still stands
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Like I said
Sorry bud, but I live in the real world and (HOLD YOUR BREATH) I actually OWN what I'm talking about and use it. You don't own ether one. I assure you if I disconnected mine I would not put down more than 289WHP Stock with my mods which is what I put down at my last dyno day, WITHOUT the DP.
When have you seen the AP fail? What Maps where they running? Where they the ones they should run on their car? There is NO way a car gained more power with no AP over one with one running the 103Maps. The 101 Maps where known to be VERY conservative, the 102 were a little better. The 103 Maps are the ones showing good promise. If you knew what you were talking about you would know the SB was a POS until V2. Every tuning solution needs some tweaking. The SB included.
The SB is still the best bang to get the most out of your car RIGHT NOW. I don't argue that. What I do argue is idiots like you that THINK they know what they are talking about and don't know jack s***. You then spread your bulls*** all over the forums like it's gospel which it is not.
There are MORE cars with blown engines running the SB than an AP. I know of only one with the AP that blew his motor and he is local to me. I talked to his buddy the day it happened who was with him when it did. His blew due to a Vac line coming off on the WG and overboosting like crazy and from driving his car like someone stole on a daily basis. His friend said it was only a matter of time with or without the AP.
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The only issue I have with the AP is the fact that it doesn't seem to be able to limit overboost, especially in colder weather. It's a known problem, and was a known problem even with the MS6's. I know they worked on a solution that helped with the MS6, so I'm sure they'll transfer that knowledge over to the MS3.
If someone wants to try to say that an MS3 on the stock tune will run more HP than the same MS3 on an AP tune...that's just crazy. It's completely noticeable, even between map versions. It may not be night and day, but it's noticeable
If someone wants to try to say that an MS3 on the stock tune will run more HP than the same MS3 on an AP tune...that's just crazy. It's completely noticeable, even between map versions. It may not be night and day, but it's noticeable
