Cleaning my MSP??????

RuggedMazda

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03 MazdaSpeed, 93 Supra TT RC toy.
This my sound stupid, but how do you guys clean your
car?
I just came from cleaning her all up & I was not happy
at all with the result. Why you ask? Well after I finished
I saw alot of little swirls, not paint swirls, but scratches.
Not deep, but as if the clear coat was scratched.
Need less to say I'm not happy.
What I did was take a sponge, I uesd eagle 1 wet car wash
& started from the top of the car down. After that I used
another clean sponge & rinsed off the car........
This is not my first new car or my first black car, I wonder
if it came like this & I just never saw it. You can only see
the scratches in direct light & this was the first time I
cleaned the car under the lights.
What do you guys think, was it me or the dealer before
they sold it to me. Also, can something be done to help
this, maybe another clear coat?? Will the dealer go as
far as putting another clear coat...........This sucks....:'(
 
Sponge? What kind of sponge do you use? Please tell me you didn't just grab one from the kitchen cabinet. Those are probably the most gravel/sand collecting sponge you can use on your car. They will produce many swirls on the clearcoat which you probably already have.
I use a hand glove made from fur. You can find them at your local hardware store. They are soft and they don't collect sand/dirty that you might end up using towards the paint of the car.

Anyway, just wax your car and you should get rid of most of the swirls...Good luck
 
Dexter said:

I wash with an automotive sponge using Blue Coral (or Meguiar's) car wash, and I always dry with a good chamois.

I will be using Meguiar's "Deep Crystal System" Step 2 and 3 on my MAZDASPEED.
Step 2 is the Polish * Step 3 is the Carnuba Wax.

A friend of mine that is a detail expert highly recommends these for my Black Mica MAZDASPEED.

(( Step 1 is the Cleaner - removes bonded contaminants, swirls, scratches, & oxidation ))

Also; my understanding is that the 100% soft cotton flannel cloths (yellow) work quite well on black vehicles. A friend of mine with an evil quick 2000 Ford F150 Lightning insists these are the best for black. It's all he uses for waxing. Everything else, he says, leaves swirls. I bought them at Wal-Mart. They come in a roll with a black band around them in quantity of 6, for about $5.00.
 
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Really, really try to wash off as much of the sand and dirt and grime as you can before touching the car with a sponge/wash mit. They can hold debris and act as a scouring pad.
But don't worry. Some automotive polish will take any minor scratches out no problem.
 
My procedure for the normal, simple carwash is to use a high power nozzle on the hose and seriously go over the entire car with it, getting as much big dust and dirt particles off as possible,

then use a soft sponge or the fur mitten things, starting from the top and sponge it down.

Then i use the WaterBlade to get just about 90% off the water off the car, then use a towel and/or shammy to dry it down.

methinks you are sponging too much. :)
 
good luck dude, i have a black speed too. its gonna kill to detail that mofo up, but its gonna look bad ass :D
 
THROW AWAY YOUR SPONGES AND CHAMIOS!!! 100% cotton towels or cloths are the way to go!! They have to be 100% cotton and trim the rough edges off. I have a black car, I know. Rinse the wash cloth at least 2x during the wash and use a second one for the bottom 1/3 of the car as it is always a lot more dirty!
 
Actually the best way to go is a brush. They have wash brushes with really soft bristols, feels like cotton when you run your hands over it.
And collecting dirt is a GOOD thing, albeit, not on the surface like a sponge will, then subsequently draging it across your paint with every stroke. The brush can collect dirt in it's fibers and not on it's surface. That way when you dip and rinse back in the soapy bucket it relases the dirt.
My previous car was black and I had many years of trial and error. I find that swirls are impossible to get rid off. You can do a good wash, polish, wax and they seem to be gone. A few weeks and washes later they are back. The products that reduce swirls only fill them, only to be resurfaced again in a few weeks. Fact of life.....sucks- thats why I now avoid black like the plague.
 
I have yet to see a brush that works as good as a 100% cotton cloth. A 50% polyester/50% cotton towel "feels" soft but it will give you swirls lke crazy. Make sure to wash the car in even side to side strokes, not swirling. Trust me again, my car is black and is pretty much free of "swirls" with just a little of the "spider webs" that you can see in bright sunlight.
 
I love driving a clean car so I've spent alot of time trying different things, taking to people that know paint and paint care products and talking to guys that detail cars for a living. A few years ago I worked P/T at my friends detailing shop. I really enjoyed it, but I'm a bit too busy these days to get in there and get my hands dirty. The last cars I detailed were being prepped for display @ Speed-o-Rama in Toronto.

The following stuff works for me. If you disagree I'd be interested to know why and if you have any questions fire away.

Washing

The first thing I do is rinse the car down. I use low pressure for the body and high pressure for the doorjams wheels/wheel wells and chassis.

You should use a good car wash soap (I use Maguires, but they're all pretty good). Use a good amount of soap, as it works almost like a lubricant so any dirt left on the car won't be abrasive. Don't use dish soap. It's too harsh and it will strip the oils out of your paint. After washing with dish soap or other detergents a few times the paint will look very dull.

I use a CarBrite wash mit. The idea when washing the car is to use something with a deep pile so the dirt has some place to go. With a sponge the dirt sits right on the surface of the sponge and being dirt, it's abrasive.Stay away from the sponge! A 100% cotton cloth is great too, but I tend to save them for wax and polish.

Start from the top and work your way down. Don't wash your car using circular motions. Go back and forth with very little pressure. This will prevent swirls.

Rinse the car with low pressure front the top down. Let the water's "sheeting" action rise the car off.

Drying
I use a natural chamios to dry the car. They're expensive, and if you don;t take care of them they don't last long, but they work
very well if you use them correctly and take care of them.

Wet the chamios, gently wring it out and lay it out flat on the car. Pull it towards you to colect the water, gently wring it out and start over. Don't go nuts wringing it out or it will develop little holes. Wash and rinse the car well. Don't use the chamios to collect any soap left on the car, it will dry the chamois out. Don't use the chamios on a part of the car that isn't clean, You get dirt.grease on it and reduce it's life.

Polish and Wax
That's a whole other subject. I could go on and on regarding different products to use, but I'll stick to technique. Park the car under cover, away from sunlight and make sure the paint surface is cool. This will keep the wax from baking onto the paint. If the wax bakes, it will take alot of effort to remove and you end up putting swirls into the paint in the process of removing it.

I use a clean dry deep pile 100% cotton cloth, cut into rectangles and folded into squares. This gives you 4 clean surfaces to work with. I put the wax on in gentle cricles (to fill any swirls) and take it off in straight lines using minimal pressure. To remove the wax use a high quality 100% cotton towel. Don't let too much wax build up on the towel. Keep turning it so you have a fresh surface.
You can wash the towels often and just trim then down a bit to get rid of loose threads.

How long I leave the wax on depends on the weather. It should "set-up" and haze over, but you shouldn't let it get too dry or you'll use too much effort to remove it, creating, you guessed it, swirls! If it's very humid out the wax will take a long time to set up, be patient.

I polish the car each spring and wax it every 2 or 3 months. Regarding polishing, remember that paint cleaners and polishes remove dead paint from the surface. The key here is that you are removing paint from the car! Avoid excessive use of cleaners and polishes by maitaing a good coat of wax on the car. Clean and polish too much and the car will look dull and you might even wear throught the paint on some areas!

I clean the paint on my cars only once! After that, like I said, I polish it in the spring and maintain the wax every 2 or 3 months as needed.

A few other things...
Use newspaper to clean your windows. It's cheap, doesn't streak and it's lint free! Spray the glass with Windex or whatever and wipe it with the newspaper.

Buy a cheap 2" paint brush and cut the bristles down to about a 1/2". This is great for detailing the interior of the car. Dip it in a bit of soapy water and clean the vents and any other nooks and crannys that you can't hit with a cloth!
 
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