can i swap my engine for more??
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+1 the best thing i've ever done to my protege... as for adding a turbo kit there is a thread about it and just about everything that you will need... if i were you i would make a custom kit but the easier route would be to find a msp turbo setup... or give kooldino a holla he's making some sweet progress on his kit
as for what you would want for the bottom end is in this picture.... you will need most of this stuff pictured... yes this is mine and has been sitting under my bed for over a year... blah no money for a spare motor as of yet...
MS3 swap... no deals... listen to Ken he knows what he's talking about
and i think u should sale that stash of parts to me.
JDMazdaFamilia
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will a rotary 20b fit?
Heck if you were to actually wanting to spend that much time on fabricating for this swap. There are plenty other engines you could choose from. Like Ken said, custom mounts, custom axles, custom electrical disaster. For that much headache, just install a K20 in there.
Although this brings up a very good opportunity. If a company "clears throat" was to create custom mounts and axles to fit a different family transaxle into the protege. There would be a huge demand. There are NOOO good engine options for us. If I had the fabrication skillz, I would create a kit to install either a Honda or Toyota engine in our protege's.
Except it's not that easy. And demand would not be as high as you would think. And theres a lot more to it then new motor mounts and axles...
It would never be cost effective for a company to do this.
I'm not going to waste my time explaining the simple business logistics of making a good profitable... But wth, here's a synopsis.
Basically:
1. The R&D would be pretty expensive
2. The fabrication would be a PITA
3. The Demand would not be very high
4. The end price of the kit would have to be reallyyyy expensive, and therefore, again the demand lowers even more.
5. You could spend less money on forged internals and Boost like mad for more power, & less money.
Overall it's a pretty bad idea.
That's 2 minutes of my life I will never get back.
Back to the dremel and my wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Basically:
1. The R&D would be pretty expensive
2. The fabrication would be a PITA
3. The Demand would not be very high
4. The end price of the kit would have to be reallyyyy expensive, and therefore, again the demand lowers even more.
5. You could spend less money on forged internals and Boost like mad for more power, & less money.
Overall it's a pretty bad idea.
That's 2 minutes of my life I will never get back.
Back to the dremel and my wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JDMazdaFamilia
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k20s are hella weak
I'm glad you understand basic Business concepts. But try thinking beyond the basics. If a tunning company is struggling to stay afloat. Then sure make Cold air intakes out of ebay pipes and advertise up to 20 whp.
However if your a good company. Then you'd know if you were known for producing rare products other people don't have. Then word of mouth will spred. What's a widely known motor mount company? Hasport? Even though not everyone drives Honduh's, people know that company for having custom motor mount kits, wiring harnesses, obd0 to obd1 or obd2 conversions etc.
1. The R&D can be done in a garage with simple measurement devices and a spare engine and tranny.
2. You enter your design in a simple autocad format, send it to a machine shop and press a button. A couple of welds and your done.
3. I'm sure there will be great interest I were to say I have a swap kit that allows Protege owners to swap in an actual performance motor and not a POS FSDE/ZE/DET.
4. The end price is targeted to people that actually have spare cash to waste, NOT invest, in a car.
5. Are you kidding me? Most swap kits for other cars go for $1000-$1500. A set of decent forged pistons and rods will run you close to the $1000 mark. Plus you have to deal with building the motor, getting an expensive Standalone, tuning time, plus all the other Turbo components needed.
Overall.. This is why Mazda has no real aftermarket support. Because it's full of Biased, poor and unmotivated people to do some research.
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Thanks for proving my theory on being Biased. You're telling me that a 2.0 liter engine with basic bolt ons and engine management can make 220whp is weak? Have you seen what's under your hood? A 2.0 engine producing 100-110whp.
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^There are many more items needed aside from motor mounts. Motor mounts are the easy part. lol, GL bud.
Throw a K20 in your mazda protege. I'm sure that will be really effective. I PROMISE you can make more power with your fs-de for the money it would take you to swap a k20. And K20 isn't even the best motor. Might as well go with a k24. (jerkit)
Why don't you take you're great idea and put it in motion. Let me know when it becomes cost effective (Hell, effective/worthwhile in any way) to swap Honda powerplants into mazdas.
Throw a K20 in your mazda protege. I'm sure that will be really effective. I PROMISE you can make more power with your fs-de for the money it would take you to swap a k20. And K20 isn't even the best motor. Might as well go with a k24. (jerkit)
Why don't you take you're great idea and put it in motion. Let me know when it becomes cost effective (Hell, effective/worthwhile in any way) to swap Honda powerplants into mazdas.
Ohh so now mounts and axles are easy? I thought you said it was going to cost too much money and time for that? Besides that, what else is hard? Wiring? Anyone with a brain and electrical knowledge can hook that up.
Plus I never said I was going to do it.
And what you STILL fail to think about is the stock transaxle on these protege's are WEAK. If you want to build serious boost, you would need to upgrade the internals which is another couple grand.
Also the K20 was just an example bud. If it's such a horrible engine, please tell me what other NA 4 cylinder is superior? Plus your idea of the K24 is not the brightests. I think what you ment to say is a k24 block with a k20 head.
Finally for your information. If I were to pick an engine to fabricate to install into a protege. It would be a 2gr-fe.
Plus I never said I was going to do it.
And what you STILL fail to think about is the stock transaxle on these protege's are WEAK. If you want to build serious boost, you would need to upgrade the internals which is another couple grand.
Also the K20 was just an example bud. If it's such a horrible engine, please tell me what other NA 4 cylinder is superior? Plus your idea of the K24 is not the brightests. I think what you ment to say is a k24 block with a k20 head.
Finally for your information. If I were to pick an engine to fabricate to install into a protege. It would be a 2gr-fe.
lolumad??
Honda s*** is profitable because there's a million of them out there. Mazda does not have nearly as much of a following. Google "Economies of Scale," you might learn something. Keep making fail comments, and fail arguments. Have fun with your k20 mazda swap.
BTW: There's a reason no one is responding to your comments (except me cause I'm ignorant). Just food for thought.
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It's because you took this conversation far beyond what my initial post. Don't give me that "economics of scale" crap. It's simple. Mazda engines suck without heavy modifications.
It's simple. Other manufactures spent the R&D in house so we didn't have to.
And you still FAIL to read my comments. I never said I preferred a k20. I said I would prefer a 2gr-fe.
P.S. I'm not mad. I like debates.
It's simple. Other manufactures spent the R&D in house so we didn't have to.
And you still FAIL to read my comments. I never said I preferred a k20. I said I would prefer a 2gr-fe.
P.S. I'm not mad. I like debates.
haha. You're ignorant.
This is your original quote that I replied to. I never said fs-de was awesome; I never said k20 was garbage; I never said doing the swap was impossible.
I merely said, it would not be profitable for a company to make an engine swapping kit of this nature. You state there would be a high demand for it. But you're wrong, there wouldn't. That's where it ends. Going further is not needed. It doesn't matter that a motor swap of this nature would be stupid, difficult and not cost effective. Because a company would never even attempt to do this.
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